I, personally, am totally fine with socialized medical treatments. European countries that have it have a lot higher standards of living, and as much as America likes to preach the infallibility of a free market, it has been proven fallible many times in the past, which is exactly why such legislation (e.g. minimum wage, health regulations, food content disclosure, social security, unemployment, etc.) comes to exist in the first place.

Considering how much better off European countries are than us -- economically, in health, in crime, and in standards -- I think we should be striving to be more like them, not less. Just because we didn't originate an idea doesn't mean it's wrong...

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Another thing Obamacare is going to do over the years is create a doctor shortage. Doctors are going to start getting paid a lot less, and taxed a lot more.
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The doctors we have now are going to retire early to avoid this senario, and less and less people are going to want to become doctors with the extreme cut in their pay.
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A direct quote from our president "Obamacare won't raise the defecit by a dime." Hah, I beg to differ. And so does the Congressional Budget office. Obamacare is projected to add 1.4 Trillion to deficit in only 10 years of time. Thats quite a bit more than a dime. Now, I do not consider myself a diehard conservative, but I'm defiantly not a liberal. More of a moderate, myself. But I do not care for Obamacare, not one bit.
There are different aspects to Obamacare. It's hard to predict how much it will cost. Unfortunately, it is a giant bill, and while multiple smaller legislation would be better, you can blame Congress for not functioning efficiently enough to allow that, especially with the petty and absolute 100% lack of compromise by Republicans on the matter. It had to be an all-or-nothing bill, so now we have it all. Much of the legislation is a necessity -- namely the regulations on insurance. IMO, I would rather pass the whole thing and later remove or alter the flawed parts than not have it at all. The pros far outweigh the cons.