Obama Care

[SilkyNick]

I'm ok with mandatory health care what I'm not ok with us having to have an RFID chip embedded in my skin to revive any sort of medical treatment. Which from what I've read is the plan.

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I'm ok with mandatory health care what I'm not ok with us having to have an RFID chip embedded in my skin to revive any sort of medical treatment. Which from what I've read is the plan.

I would just go around hacking people's RFID cards if this happens :/ You should join me. Buy an RFID reader/writer, then sit there and read people's cards and write other people's data to theirs, so that everyone has the wrong data. It would eventually cause so much chaos that they would phase out the RFID cards, because everyone would have mixed up data.

For example go up to person 1, read their data. Go up to person 2, read their data, and write person 1's data. Go up to person 3, read their data, and write person 2's data. Etc etc, until everyone has everyone else's data. And also, you wouldn't even have to touch the person, you would just have to be close to the person, or bump into them or something.

[C0FFINCASE]

I'm ok with mandatory health care what I'm not ok with us having to have an RFID chip embedded in my skin to revive any sort of medical treatment. Which from what I've read is the plan.

Oh cool? Well you ok with them turning away cancer patients too right? Welcome to Obamacare. Health care is going to be rationed, end of story. If it's not cost effective people are going to be denied treatment. The only way to determine treatments' cost effectiveness per person is to look at how much money has been spent on you, what they have to spend now, an what they can plan to spend in the future. When you exceed x amount you are no longer worth treating. Chips and such come later. For now you medical history is just public knowledge and your treatment is a government matter. Frankly I don't care if you can't afford treatment and die, but I care when the government tells me I have to cover your as and then also decides who gets treated for what and when.

[ya bish]

Oh cool? Well you ok with them turning away cancer patients too right? Welcome to Obamacare. Health care is going to be rationed, end of story. If it's not cost effective people are going to be denied treatment. The only way to determine treatments' cost effectiveness per person is to look at how much money has been spent on you, what they have to spend now, an what they can plan to spend in the future. When you exceed x amount you are no longer worth treating. Chips and such come later. For now you medical history is just public knowledge and your treatment is a government matter. Frankly I don't care if you can't afford treatment and die, but I care when the government tells me I have to cover your as and then also decides who gets treated for what and when.

Well thats kind of mean of Obama

[SilkyNick]

Like that all doesn't happen now? People are turned away all the time because they can't pay (even though that's actually against the "rules"). A lot of places will refuse proper treatment if you don't have insurance. Also yes I'm fine with certain cancer patients not receiving millions of dollars in treatment, such as terminal cancers that we have no way of stopping. There is a point where we should stop trying to play god and cut it as a loss

[C0FFINCASE]

Like that all doesn't happen now? People are turned away all the time because they can't pay (even though that's actually against the "rules"). A lot of places will refuse proper treatment if you don't have insurance. Also yes I'm fine with certain cancer patients not receiving millions of dollars in treatment, such as terminal cancers that we have no way of stopping. There is a point where we should stop trying to play god and cut it as a loss

Actually, we were floating tons of people. They show up to the ER, get treatment, and then just default.
If people got turned away before it was because they couldn't afford a service. Now they get turned away because the government judges them to be a poor investment.
The government shouldn't have that power and your health and treatment should be a personal matter.

[GAMEchief]

Actually, we were floating tons of people. They show up to the ER, get treatment, and then just default.

This is always blown out of proportion. The only way to get free medical treatment is to declare bankruptcy. People act like this happens left and right.
We essentially just socialize healthcare for people who literally can't afford it and have to declare bankruptcy after receiving it. Which we technically did anyway, ever since bankruptcy became a thing. The only difference is now hospitals can't assume someone doesn't have enough money or insurance and just let them die regardless of their financial status.
ER's are cramped, but it's not the end of the world. It saves lives. It does cut out of hospital profits and digs however minutely into tax payer dollars (imo, easily worth whatever bankruptcy-over-healthcare costs), but it really just boils down to whether or not you approve of welfare programs. A small cost to the people for a large benefit to an individual.

[GAMEchief]

Oh cool? Well you ok with them turning away cancer patients too right? Welcome to Obamacare. Health care is going to be rationed, end of story. If it's not cost effective people are going to be denied treatment. The only way to determine treatments' cost effectiveness per person is to look at how much money has been spent on you, what they have to spend now, an what they can plan to spend in the future. When you exceed x amount you are no longer worth treating. Chips and such come later. For now you medical history is just public knowledge and your treatment is a government matter. Frankly I don't care if you can't afford treatment and die, but I care when the government tells me I have to cover your as and then also decides who gets treated for what and when.

First of all, this is not true.
Second of all, saying that people dying due to their insurance not covering their illness would somehow be magically solved if they didn't have insurance addresses absolutely nothing. People can still pay out of pocket for whatever medical service they want. Taking away someone's insurance isn't going to make them rich enough to treat their medical problems. In fact, it should lower prices enough such that the average healthcare cost per person per healthcare service would be drastically less than it is currently. You have to remember one of the other arguments conservatives have against this, and probably the only valid one depending on your interpretation of the Constitution, is that "Obamacare" regulates insurance companies to make sure their coverage for your dollar is substantial and won't fuck over the consumer, which under a private plan, it not only can but repeatedly has (and one of the largest reasons Obamacare was created).

I don't know why you think it would be illegal for doctors trk privately just because their patient also has insurance.

[GAMEchief]

I'm ok with mandatory health care what I'm not ok with us having to have an RFID chip embedded in my skin to revive any sort of medical treatment. Which from what I've read is the plan.

... The fuck have you been reading?

That is not even remotely a true thing.