I say, No.
If Marijuana is to be legalized, Think how easy it would be to get, methamphetamine, Heroin, And so on..... I'm just saying its a bad idea. I'm a pothead just so you know!
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- 03 Nov. 2010 02:16am #1
Should Marijuana Be legalized?
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Where is the logic for that at all? How does marijuana being legalized correlate to Heroin ect?
Personally I think it should be, so long as it's taxed, and has strict rules for enforcement.
I mean we legalized alcohol didn't we? Honestly speaking weed is less dangerous.
Have you ever heard of anyone dying from a marijuana overdose? Lol
And for the record, I don't smoke.
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- 03 Nov. 2010 03:20am #4
The people that are selling weed there just doing it for the money..... What happends when they cant sell weed for money they go to other drugs.
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Yes, It would be, The people that are selling are going to resort to selling what makes them money......
- 03 Nov. 2010 03:29am #5
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- 03 Nov. 2010 03:32am #6
The demand for heavier drugs isn't nearly as high. Just because someone resorts to selling these types of drugs doesn't mean people are going to buy them.
The people that are selling weed there just doing it for the money..... What happends when they cant sell weed for money they go to other drugs.
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- 03 Nov. 2010 03:42am #9
- 03 Nov. 2010 03:47am #10
Benefits
Yey weed.
Happy people.
More sluts.
Easier to purchase
Less competition at school.
It's legal so therefore we must do it!
Consquences:
Everyone getting high and maybe the price might inflate.
People using the excuse they got high to do stupid shit
Seeing the girl you like getting fucked by other guys because she said she was high
Angry drug dealers
More dead people at mexico
New drugs
"Everyone's smoking weed fuck that i'ma do crack now.
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I smoke weed from time to time and I saw how my friend just wanted to do it everyday it doesn't become an addiction but more like a habit to do it every day and not do anything at all.
NO ON 19!
Hope the federal government stops this shit.
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Just so you know Portugal has legalized drugs and they're having good results.
Also legalizing weed gives drug dealers less power, you're not going to go by from some shady ass dude in the back alley if you can get it from walmart.
There would be less people dead in mexico because the drug cartel would have less control. With out weed being illegal that gives them one less thing to control and garner money from. (Also we're talking about the US so why are we talking about mexico?) People already use the stupid excuse of being drunk and high, so that really isn't any sort of con. That's just plain human stupidity.
Also as far as your pros go how does weed being legalized correlate to more sluts? I don't get it.
Just because weed is legalized doesn't mean everyone is going to get into crack or meth. If legalized it will actually keep kids and young adults out of jail were there is more of a chance of being exposed to those drugs. As far as it becoming a habit, yes there is a very real possibility of that, but because weed is only physiologically addicting that'd be the same as kids who are addicted to the internet or video games.
Some befits of having weed legalized: (Realistic ones)
Help the economy by imposing some sort of drug tax.
Weed can now be used more easily for medical purposes.
Because having weed would no longer being illegal, millions of dollars would stopped being spent on "the war against drugs".
Police would be able to handle more important crimes.
More room in our jails.
It would be an alternative to alcohol, which causes alcohol poisoning. There are 50,000 cases of alcohol poisoning a year, and once a week a person dies from it.
As far as weed goes there isn't a single documented case of death due to weed overdose.
Cons: (Realistic ones)
More of a chance of people driving high, which could cause an influx of accidents.
Morally questionable to some people.
Also so everyone knows it will be illegal for someone to drive while high, and you'd have to be at least 21 to have it.
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- 03 Nov. 2010 04:49am #12
weed isnt that big of a deal were i live.
but id still have to vote no.yup this is really me gamersoul AVA
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Weed nor any other drug should be legalized.
Weed is not less dangerous than alcohol. You're more easily impaired by it and more impaired by it. Alcohol puts parts of your brain to sleep, pot kills brain cells.
The legalization of weed is only being considered for the money the government could make off it but because of the way things are it'd be near impossible to impose taxes or any system of laws in regard to it. The legalization method we have proposed will not allow for commercial growing so drug dealer will hold power, especially ones with criminal organizational ties who even if we had commercial growing would heavily under cut the prices of any commercial crops. The nature of the current US drug economy can't take legalization. You'll merely make it hard to prosecute criminals.
Secondly the legalization of pot send a bad message. It invites drug culture, which is something society has been trying to down play, suppress, and kill. Its for most purposes been effective in the US. People don't smoke like they did in the 50s because we demonized smoking because we came to understand it was bad for you. Pot isn't any better, in fact you're getting the negatives of smoking with some added bonus ones. When smoking was largely accepted, everyone did it. You could smoke in high school in the 50s and underage smoking is a big concern now. If you legalize pot, they'll sell it the same way and you'll have pot commercials and children will be targeted and no matter how you slice it that's not good. The "slippery slope" argument is actually rather acceptable in drug cases. If you say drugs are ok by legalizing pot and it becomes part of the culture you'll get pushes for the acceptance of more drugs. Its not an absurd notion. An in all other countries where one drug became accepted and widely used you have drug cartels spring up and promote more and more dangerous drugs. We already have problems with street gangs selling meth, we don't need to make things easier for them.
Third, no matter what any pot head fool tells you any drug is addictive. Chemically speaking pot isn't addictive but just like any other perceived pleasure is hold the high chance of addiction. Most people lack the self control to actually use anything recreationally.
Fourth, you will see a rise in drug use. Legal and illegal because you have sent the message that drug use is ok. The argument that making it legal will decrease its use is bull. While is possible in the long term due to culture or religious pressure(we lack these by the way) it will take centuries and in the next 20-30 year you'll see exponential increases in use.
Finally, We now have to deal with the effects of people openly and regularly using weed for several decades because there is no status quo. There is no frowning on being stoned at work if its legal, there is no application of the dui under legalized weed, no standards of professionalism for when its ok and not ok to be high. No rules of what is a legal joint and what's not. How lacing is handled, if the smoker who bought laced shit is responsible for checking or the seller. These thing grow out of how the culture handles them over time. So some high idiot plows through a bus stop and he's charged with man slaughter and its not chemically related and he is punished less.
Being high may be a person's goal and be enjoyable for the individual but for society the individual is useless when high. It impairs their abilities trk and function in society, we don't need to fuck up America any more than we have. Also prop. 19 is only legalizing procession of like 1/2 a gram and pot isn't illegal. You just have to have a license to sell it or have it on you according to national law and we don't give out the licenses.
- 07 Nov. 2010 10:32am #15
Mary J should be legalized, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
When was the last time you heard of someone getting into their car WHILE HIGH ON POT, driving down the road at crazy speeds WHILE HIGH ON POT, crashing into a group of people WHILE HIGH ON POT, then not remembering any of it the next day?
Or, have you ever heard of someone getting ANY form of Cancer from Marijuana usage? Nope, not a single person.
Have you ever heard of someone getting angry at their wife for not cooking their eggs properly (true story man, read it in my newspaper), then pulling the shotgun on them infront of their kids WHILE HIGH ON POT?
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Bull.
Last week when my idiot singer got high and drove trk and hit two cars while parking and then opened a pressurized spray bottle and got his face doused with chlorine.
Usage isn't spread enough and no one has studied if it causes cancer. Does pot itself cause cancer, most likely not. Does the shit some idiot sprays/soaks it in before he sell it to you cause cancer? Yeah.
I have heard of people doing stupid shit on pot? Yes. All the time. Drugs use and being a musician is synonymous, especially in college towns, so I have seen and heard more of more stupid stuff done by people high on all kinds of stuff. Are people violent on pot? No. Are they worthless? Yes. You can't do any thing on pot. You can't play, you can't drive, you can't carry a real conversation, you can't do any thing. You just think you can.
- 07 Nov. 2010 11:05pm #18
How do you mean? If pot gets legalized, it wont "put so much more bad shit out on the streets", thats ridiculous.
Ok, that's one person smoking weed and being a complete retard, not all of them.
And for you saying "are they worthless?" Yes.", thats fuckin' ruuuuuuuude.
I smoke weed nearly daily, I get A+ marks (when I go to school), I have a "gifted" IQ, I can do pretty much anything high that I can do sober, and a lot better too.
How would you like it if I said, all the people who take Adderal are worthless, or all the people who take Rittalin (or however its spelled) are retards?
You're stereotyping, get a life man.
As for your shit about the usage of marijuana n how no one has been able to study what it does....
The Mayan's (ancient civilization, I'm sure you've heard of them), the ancient Sumerian's, some Chinese civilizations and many more groups have used Marijuana for more than its effects on the brain.
Here's an excerpt from druglibrary.org
The earliest record of man's use of cannabis comes from the island of Taiwan located off the coast of mainland China. In this densely populated part of the world, archaeologists have unearthed an ancient village site dating back over 10,000 years to the Stone Age.
Scattered among the trash and debris from this prehistoric community were some broken pieces of pottery the sides of which had been decorated by pressing strips of cord into the wet clay before it hardened. Also dispersed among the pottery fragments were some elongated rod-shaped tools, very similar in appearance to those later used to loosen cannabis fibers from their stems.[1] These simple pots, with their patterns of twisted fiber embedded in their sides, suggest that men have been using the marijuana plant in some manner since the dawn of history.
The discovery that twisted strands of fiber were much stronger than individual strands was followed by developments in the arts of spinning and weaving fibers into fabric - innovations that ended man's reliance on animal skins for clothing. Here, too, it was hemp fiber that the Chinese chose for their first homespun garments. So important a place did hemp fiber occupy in ancient Chinese culture that the Book of Rites (second century B.C.) ordained that out of respect for the dead, mourners should wear clothes made from hemp fabric, a custom followed down to modern times.[2]
The American government banned all use of Marijuana / Hemp because of the high it produces, but in Hemp, when used for clothes and shit, has LESS THAN .02% THC. THC (TetraHydroCannibinol) is the little crystals on the bud that gets you high, it's found in the brain (naturally of course) and many many many cancer treatments, MY grandma is on a pill for pain and arthritis that is based on Cannabinoids (THC is a Cannabinoid), she WAS on OxyCotton (aka legal fucking heroin, mass produced by the government) for years (10+) and has told me that she always felt pain while on Oxy's, but it was less noticeable, but when she was switched over to the CBD (short for Cannabinoid) pills, she instantly was better.
I've asked her lately how her pain is since switching to the CBD's, and she has told me that it is 100% gone.
So now you tell me, whats the major fucking problem with Mary Jane?
Also, if you think you're so amazing at knowing all this shit about weed, try watching the video The Union: The business behind Getting High.
The Union: The Business Behind Getting High (2007) - IMDb <-- IMDb link of The Union
I grew up in BC (where the film was shot) and I personally know the person who made the video.
I highly suggest you watch that documentary before making any educated guess on how harmful Weed is to the body.
More excerpts from that site are below.
While traces of early Chinese fabrics have all but disappeared, in 1972 an ancient burial site dating back to the Chou dynasty (1122-249 B.C.) was discovered. In it were fragments of cloth, some bronze containers, weapons, and pieces of jade. Inspection of the cloth showed it to be made of hemp, making this the oldest preserved specimen of hemp in existence.[3]
The ancient Chinese not only wove their clothes from hemp, they also used the sturdy fiber to manufacture shoes. In fact, hemp was so highly regarded by the Chinese that they called their country the "land of mulberry and hemp".
The mulberry plant was venerated because it was the food upon which silkworms fed, and silk was one of China's most important products. But silk was very expensive and only the very wealthy could afford silken fabric. For the vast millions of less fortunate, cheaper material had to be found. Such material was typically hemp.
Ancient Chinese manuscripts are filled with passages urging the people to plant hemp so that they will have clothes.[4] A book of ancient poetry mentions the spinning of hempen threads by a young girl.[5] The Shu King, a book which dates back to about 2350 B.C., says that in the province of Shantung the soil was "whitish and rich...with silk, hemp, lead, pine trees and strange stones..." and that hemp was among the articles of tribute extorted from inhabitants of the valley of the Honan.[6]As they became more familiar with the plant, the Chinese discovered it was dioecious. Male plants were then clearly distinguished from females by name (hsi for the male, chu for the female). The Chinese also recognised that the male plants produced a better fiber than the female, whereas the female produced the better seeds.[8] (Although hemp seed was a major grain crop in ancient China until the sixth century A.D.,[9] it was not as important a food grain as rice or mullet.[10])
Hemp fiber was also once a factor in the wars waged by Chinese land barons. Initially, Chinese archers fashioned their bowstrings from bamboo fibers. When hemp's greater strength and durability were discovered, bamboo strings were replaced with those made from hemp. Equipped with these superior bowstrings, archers could send their arrows further and with greater force. Enemy archers, whose weapons were made from inferior bamboo, were at a considerable disadvantage. With ineffectual archers, armies were vulnerable to attack at distances from which they could not effectively return the hail of deadly missiles that rained upon them. So important was the hemp bowstring that Chinese monarchs of old set aside large portions of land exclusively for hemp, the first agricultural war crop.[11]
In fact, every canton in ancient China grew hemp. Typically, each canton tried to be self-sufficient and grow everything it needed to support its own needs. When it couldn't raise something itself, it grew crops or manufactured materials that it could trade for essential goods. Accordingly, crops were planted around homes not only because of the suitability of the land, but also because of their commercial value. The closer to the home, the greater a crop's value.
Because food was essential, millet and rice were grown wherever land and water were available. Next came vegetable gardens and orchards, and beyond them the textile plants, chiefly hemp.[12] Next came the cereals and vegetables.
After the hemp was harvested by the men, the women, who were the weavers, manufactured clothes from the fibers for the family. After the family's needs were satisfied, other garments were produced for sale. To support their families, weaving began in autumn and lasted all winter.[13]During the course of its long history in China, hemp found its way into almost every nook and cranny of Chinese life. It clothed the Chinese from their heads to their feet, it gave them material to write on, and it became a symbol of power over evil.
Like the practice of medicine around the world, early Chinese doctoring was based on the concept of demons. If a person were ill, it was because some demon had invaded his body. The only way to cure him was to drive the demon out. The early priest-doctors resorted to all kinds of tricks, some of which were rather sophisticated, like drug therapy, which we will examine shortly. Other methods involved outright magic. By means of charms, amulets, spells, incantations, exhortations, sacrifices, etc., the priest-doctor did his utmost to find some way of getting the upper hand over the malevolent demon believed responsible for an illness.As physicians became more and more familiar with the properties of drugs, ma continued to increase in importance as a therapeutic agent. In the second century A.D., a new use was found for the drug. This discovery was credited to the famous Chinese surgeon Hua T'o, who is said to have performed extremely complicated surgical procedures without causing pain. Among the amazing operations he performed are organ grafts, resectioning of intestines, laparotomies (incisions into the loin), and thoracotomies (incisions into the chest). All these difficult surgical procedures were said to have been rendered painless by means of ma-yo, an anaesthetic made from cannabis resin and wine. The following passage, taken from his biography, describes his use of cannabis in these operations:
But if the malady resided in the parts on which the needle [acupuncture], cautery, or medicinal liquids were incapable of acting, for example, in the bones, in the stomach or in the intestine, he administered a preparation of hemp [ma-yo] and, in the course of several minutes, an insensibility developed as if one had been plunged into drunkenness or deprived of life. Then, according to the case, he performed the opening, the incision or the amputation and relieved the cause of the malady; then he apposed the tissues by sutures and applied linaments. After a certain number of days the patient finds he has recovered without having experienced the slightest pain during the operation.[19]Last edited by zzGoWR; 07 Nov. 2010 at 11:27pm. Reason: Had to tell them all what time it is...
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- 08 Nov. 2010 03:05pm #19
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Its not rude or a stereotype and it not one person. Its the latest example in my life. The worthless statement was thet while you're high you're worthless and you are. You operate at a reduced capacity and thus you are of no use to nay one. I've played music for a while and every other person I play with is on all kinds of shit. Most often its pot and I don't care what you think, you can't do any thing as well high as you can sober. I've know tons of really talented guys, guy that can shred circles around me sober, they light up and their playing goes to shit. They think they sound awesome, they swear they're better high and their not. I've kicked people off of stages because their high, sucking balls, and/or being idiot. The come thread is always "I smokes some stuff to loosen up." Or some bullshit. Can you get good grades and do pot? Yes. Grade prove shit. They aren't a measure of intelligence. They're a bogus system of affirmation for doing assigned task correctly and taking tests. I played with and had classes with a dude who smoked more pot than any one I've ever met. He did fine in class. Was stressed to hell cause his memory was shit, but he did fine. Until he started doing vikoden cause he'd built up a tolerance for to pot.
Pot kills your ability to process things in a timely manner. Your reactions and reflexes are slowed. Being high in and of itself is not good. You sit around fascinated with simplistic crap and are lowing your ability to process and perceive the world around you for a time so you can feel good. You're running from reality.
Ancient civilizations are advanced at their time, not now. The Chinese said gun powder was the secret to eternal life and gave it to several emperors and thus killed them.
Pot is a drug is not removing pain or healing its getting the person stoned so they are less aware of the pain.
Also when you're going to argue and use citation try using unbiased bullshit. Information that has that much biased is irrelevant.
- 08 Nov. 2010 09:30pm #20
1. zzGowr If you have such a "gifted iq" I would assume you would have a lot better grammar and vocabulary than which you use.
2. Pot should not be legalized although I do smoke frequently, but I also sell pot and if this was legalized then prices on pot would drop immensely and I would lose a lot of money on plants that I have growing for future harvests.
- 08 Nov. 2010 10:09pm #21
From the way kids at my school smoke , sell , and carry marijuana
it would seem like it is already legal at my school
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Breast cancer
According to a 2007 study at the California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute, cannabidiol (CBD) may stop breast cancer from spreading throughout the body.[57] These researchers believe their discovery may provide a non-toxic alternative to chemotherapy while achieving the same results minus the painful and unpleasant side effects. The research team says that CBD works by blocking the activity of a gene called Id-1, which is believed to be responsible for a process called metastasis, which is the aggressive spread of cancer cells away from the original tumor site.[57]
[edit] HIV/AIDS
Investigators at Columbia University published clinical trial data in 2007 showing that HIV/AIDS patients who inhaled cannabis four times daily experienced substantial increases in food intake with little evidence of discomfort and no impairment of cognitive performance. They concluded that smoked marijuana has a clear medical benefit in HIV-positive patients.[58][59] In another study in 2008, researchers at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine found that marijuana significantly reduces HIV-related neuropathic pain when added to a patient's already-prescribed pain management regimen and may be an "effective option for pain relief" in those whose pain is not controlled with current medications. Mood disturbance, physical disability, and quality of life all improved significantly during study treatment.[60] Despite management with opioids and other pain modifying therapies, neuropathic pain continues to reduce the quality of life and daily functioning in HIV-infected individuals. Cannabinoid receptors in the central and peripheral nervous systems have been shown to modulate pain perception. No serious adverse effects were reported, according to the study published by the American Academy of Neurology.[61]
[edit] Brain cancer
A study by Complutense University of Madrid found the chemicals in marijuana promotes the death of brain cancer cells by essentially helping them feed upon themselves in a process called autophagy. The research team discovered that cannabinoids such as THC had anticancer effects in mice with human brain cancer cells and in people with brain tumors. When mice with the human brain cancer cells received the THC, the tumor shrank. Using electron microscopes to analyze brain tissue taken both before and after a 26- to 30-day THC treatment regimen, the researchers found that THC eliminated cancer cells while leaving healthy cells intact.[62] The patients did not have any toxic effects from the treatment; previous studies of THC for the treatment of cancer have also found the therapy to be well tolerated. However, the mechanisms which promote THC's tumor cell–killing action are unknown.[62]
[edit] Opioid dependence
Injections of THC eliminate dependence on opiates in stressed rats, according to a research team at the Laboratory for Physiopathology of Diseases of the Central Nervous System (France) in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology.[63] Deprived of their mothers at birth, rats become hypersensitive to the rewarding effect of morphine and heroin (substances belonging to the opiate family), and rapidly become dependent. When these rats were administered THC, they no longer developed typical morphine-dependent behavior. In the striatum, a region of the brain involved in drug dependence, the production of endogenous enkephalins was restored under THC, whereas it diminished in rats stressed from birth which had not received THC. Researchers believe the findings could lead to therapeutic alternatives to existing substitution treatments.[63]
In humans, drug treatment subjects who use cannabis intermittently are found to be more likely to adhere to treatment for opioid dependence.[64] Historically, similar findings were reported by Clendinning, who in 1843 utilized cannabis substitution for the treatment of alcoholism and opium addiction[unreliable medical source?][65] and Birch, in 1889, who reported a success in treating opiate and chloral addiction with cannabis.[66]
[edit] Spasticity in multiple sclerosis
A review of six randomized controlled trials of a combination of THC and CBD extracts for the treatment of MS related muscle spasticity reported, "Although there was variation in the outcome measures reported in these studies, a trend of reduced spasticity in treated patients was noted." The authors postulated that "cannabinoids may provide neuroprotective and anti-inflammatory benefits in MS
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I don't see why it shouldn't be legalized.
It's going to cause problems won't it? But what doesn't? Alcohol is legalized here in the U.S and I don't recall anything positive that it's done. Cigarettes are legal, they've done nothing good as well. Unless this country's supposed to be doing things for the better, might as well throw that in there.
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I see a lot dealing with mutated cells and the nervous system in there. You can't really pull up researches and say 'look! look! it does stuff!' without understanding what these researchers are proving.
Cancer is constantly changing. What may work at one point may not work later on. It's the whole mutation thing. People don't have a fucking clue what makes cancer tick since no cancer in each person with it is the same. Doctors try to find out ways to ease a patients pain, while biomedical technicians search for cures. They just end up blasting everything with radiation with the hopes of it going away until another relapse comes about; because guess what! Radiation kills everything. (except roaches..little bastards) Those studies reports never give you the full explanation of how these results came about as well.
Now, as coffin said, for the nervous system/pain problems the people are too fucking stoned to realize they have pain.
frankly, I don't give a flying fuck if it is legalized or not, people are still going to have it, America is still going to be wasting billions and trillions of dollars on stupid shit, corruption will still go on in law enforcement, Drug lords will still have control and power over people. And people who think it cures them of all illnesses will still jump in that boat.
Also, I have lived with a man for 19 years of my life who has done pot since he was 13. He is now 49. Has never touched any other drug. Does it at least 8 times a day. I've noticed over the years he becomes more and more stupid. More grumpy. Can't stand the presence of other people. Lazy as all fuck. And when he was busted for selling the shit, couldn't even hold off long enough for probation to smoke. Can't quit buying it, even though he doesn't have the money for it. If it's not addicting, it surely creates a fucked up habit for some people that they can't break.
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Ignoring all the things I could say to this I'll just post this:
Is Marijuana Medicine?
The potential medicinal properties of marijuana have been the subject of substantive research and heated debate. Scientists have confirmed that the cannabis plant contains active ingredients with therapeutic potential for relieving pain, controlling nausea, stimulating appetite, and decreasing ocular pressure. Cannabinoid-based medications include synthetic compounds, such as dronabinol (Marinol®) and nabilone (Cesamet®), which are FDA approved, and a new, chemically pure mixture of plant-derived THC and cannabidiol called Sativex®, formulated as a mouth spray and approved in Canada and parts of Europe for the relief of cancer-associated pain and spasticity and neuropathic pain in multiple sclerosis.
Scientists continue to investigate the medicinal properties of THC and other cannabinoids to better evaluate and harness their ability to help patients suffering from a broad range of conditions, while avoiding the adverse effects of smoked marijuana.
That's directly from Marijuana - InfoFacts - NIDA
Which is a government run website.
Edit: Also I think of what you and coffin said this way.
It's like you're saying "We shouldn't take Ibuprofen because we're just too messed up on pain killers to feel the pain."Last edited by CL0V3R; 09 Nov. 2010 at 05:00am.
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- 19 Nov. 2010 11:43am #26
There are valid arguments on both sides.
On side A, we've got the supporters saying that weed will bring in revenue in the same way as cigs and alcohol. Since weed isn't relatively all that harmful, it wouldn't be too damaging, plus there would be less people in jail for something as stupid as having weed.
On side B, we've got the opposing side that uses "The Gateway Drug Theory" (Which I don't believe). They also make the point that if weed is legalized, big companies will add shit like nicotine or other addicting chemicals to it so people will want more of it.
To the argument about there being less crime, well of course there will be less crime. If I made murder legal, there would be less crime.
I personally believe that if people utilize any type of influential item, whether it be anything from cigs to meth, they need to know control.
They have to be able to ration the amount they take in, otherwise their bodies will be royally fucked.
Weed does it too, if people smoke weed once a week, nothing really happens. Once you reach once a day, you start becoming bad at memorizing things, because your brain is adjusting to function in response to weed instead of normal stimuli, so you stop thinking normally. Effectively, you're not practicing the art of thinking as heavily, so you become rusty at it.
You can't really compare weed to cigs and alcohol though, cause those things shouldn't necessarily be legal either. Alcohol is actually more debilitating than a lot of the drugs out there. We tried stopping it during the prohibition, but it became like weed and people sold it everywhere illegally. It doesn't mean that just because we can make profit from it, it should be legal, I mean we could profit from making PCP legal, but no one's going to do that anytime soon.
There's an argument going around for the driving law of Prop 19 as well. Well, how else are people going to find out if driving while high is statistically dangerous? I mean, when automobiles came out, alcohol was legal. It took them a while to get statistics and outlaw drunk driving because it was indeed dangerous. However, if driving under the influence of marijuana isn't dangerous, I say by all means go for it. In order to reach a conclusion for that though, driving under the influence needs to be legal, at least until statistics are taken.Last edited by Kanako; 19 Nov. 2010 at 11:49am.
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- 20 Nov. 2010 07:39am #27
I might as well put in my two cents.
Legalizing weed only takes money out of the cartel's hands and places it in the hands of the government. Possession of marijuana is a common crime that, thanks to the Rockefeller laws, can get you sent to jail (and our prisons are overcrowded due to the sheer number of drug-related arrests made each year). We already have legal heroin in the form of Methadone (but people continue to use the real thing because Methadone just isn't enough in the small amount given) and... not very much else changes. Marijuana is a relatively harmless drug with arguably less negative impact on the people around you compared to alcohol (look up the amount of drunk driving accidents and deaths as well as the problems caused by alcoholism).
Many people (idiots) panic over the idea of people showing up trk stoned. Here's a wakeup call for you. You know how you can't show up drunk trk even though alcohol is legal? What changes with the legalization of marijuana? Workplace policy isn't going to change.
Think about the money the government AND taxpayers save by not having so many people in jail/getting arrested for merely possessing marijuana. If you do something stupid, you're still going to go to jail (just like with alcohol... see where I'm going with this?) like you would have before marijuana was (hypothetically) legalized.
In any case, I fail to see any real problems behind legalizing marijuana. A lot of the arguments against the legalization of the green plant are fear-driven, sadly.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
- 20 Nov. 2010 04:18pm #28
Why don't we legalize every drugs , I mean who's not getting drugs is the one who isn't dead , the one who is dead is the one who take drugs .
- 22 Nov. 2010 08:31am #29
- 13 Dec. 2010 10:02pm #30
It should be legalized.
- 17 Dec. 2010 12:54am #31
Marijuana is better then both cigarettes and alcohol. The additives are much less, and the effect is also much less. You give me a guy that is high and a guy that is drunk and I will give them a test. I'll bet fucking money that the drunk guy does worse then the guy that is high. Sure, weed may be addictive and can lead you into other drugs, but so does cigarettes and alcohol. I say yes, legalize it.
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I've smoked weed and never had the want to try any other drug. It's legal in Maine and other states around the US because it's legal, it's a good chance to meet new people under good peaceful terms, and it's a relaxant, not a depressant.
There is absolutely nothing bad that can come of weed.☜(* x *)☞FOOL ON COOL GENERATION
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I went and did more research because others decided to post historical use and modern medical use and then say that provides reason enough for it to be legalize and make recreational use ok. So based on the research of numerous scientist and doctors I'm going to give you a list of facts.
Marijuana has solid credentials as a way to relieve cancer pain, nausea, anorexia, and nerve pain. It has not been proven to have any effect on treating diabetes, Alzheimer's, osteoporosis, sleep apnea and/or drug resistant bacteria infection. It does not treat high blood pressure, in fact it raises blood pressure.
Pot is not the magical cure all the pot lobbyists have branded it as in an attempt to get it legalized.
If any thing pot if you're going to use its medical applications as an argument, should be used like any drug: to treat symptoms and then use should be discontinued.
Inhaling deep lungfuls from a joint delivers more carcinogens and toxic chemicals than 20 cigarettes and dumps as much tar as four cigarettes and causes chronic inflammation that makes it difficult to fight cancers that make develop in the body.
According to Boston's Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center say than in the hour after you smoke a joint your chance of heart attack is multiplied by 5x. This happens because pot boosts a production of apolopoprotein III which causes fats to become stuck in your blood and stay there while also increasing your heart rate. Regular use in one day compounds the effect and causes heart strain and damage.
In one study people with multiple scerosis were given a mental capacity test, one group took medical marijuana and the other did not. Those that used marijuana was 50% slower to complete the test than those that did not and were documented to be more depressed and anxious.
THC, the ingredient pot smokers love and champion, the thing that eases pain and makes you high is highly destructive to your immune system. It recent studies it was shown that THC sparks massive production of myeloid-derived suppressor cells that cause your immune system to almost shut down.
Since people tend to inhale pot smoke longer and more deeply than, smoking 3 or 4 joints a day can cause as much damage to your lungs as smoking a pack of cigarettes. Long term use doubles your chances of developing chronic wheezing, coughing, and bronchitis.
On top of all this youth using the drug receive have amplified negative effects compared to adults.
You want to use marijuana as cure, then use it responsibly as a cure and try using a spray, pill, or ingesting it to help avoid the negative effects of smoking it.
Any other use is idiotic and damaging and pot should never be allowed to be a legal recreational drug.
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I say no because the whole world will turn out to be retarded because weed hits your brain then you lose brain cells then if you do to much ur brain dead
- 19 Dec. 2010 09:54pm #35
I say no, because I'm against drugs(including alcohol, cigarettes).
Just so you guys know, it isn't totally harmless, not saying it will kill you though.
The long-term effects are quite surprising.
Last night I had a vision of a disco in the sky, I saw angels and saints dancing together.
I remembered the thump of the bass and the pump of the kick, because my heart was almost out my body and I felt free, I felt joy,
I felt things I never thought I'd feel before. It was deep it was soulful it was techno it was disco,
a kaleidoscope of sounds it was truly underground it was an essential mix in the cloud where we could dance and sing out loud
it was New York Ibiza and Miami all wrapped up into one. There were speakers the size of skyscrapers and the stars they flickered like strobes,
and everybody loved everybody else, a tribal beast of rhythm a ceremony of sound, the gathering of the spirits that would lift us off the ground,
my vision was so clear, but it was still hazy in my mind, I must have went to house heaven, because nothing's that divine...
- 19 Dec. 2010 11:57pm #36
Being a straight edgist myself, i have never really given much thought about it, i know alot of my friends do it and i guess it does bother me when they are constantly high, there never goes a time when they are not, its hard to do normal social activities with them without them tripping out, and of course at the same time you got the younger group of people who think doing it makes you cool, because the idea of getting stoned sets it in their mind that gives them a image, which is sad because i see 13 to 14 year olds doing it, and then moving from that to cocaine and then alcohol, i guess i'm speaking more for the next generation of teens and such,
i mean i understand the people who do it use it to escape pain and stress but legalizing it makes it that much similar to alcohol, people will do it because they want to, and no other reason, but overall i don't see it having any true benefit to people
- 20 Dec. 2010 01:09am #37
Marijuana should not be legalized. However some components of the cannabis are proven to have therapeutic effects on extremely weakened patients. Although seriously what's the point? most patients seeking that kind of treatment only have a few years of life left before succumbing to illness. However, the smoking any cannabis definitely should be illegal because of the adverse health effects... combustion of most organic compounds usually leads to carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide produced. I believe marinol gives the same effect with less of the high and is available with a prescription and a physician's supervision.
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- 13 May. 2011 12:18am #38
Even if weed was legalized, i dont think it would mean that people will be able to blaze all day.
I love weed, but it really wouldn't make anything different if it was legal or illegal.
But also, if weed was legal, maybe there would be a decline in spice. (k2, k3, shit.)
That shit is scary. I dont think that should be legal.
Which brings me to think why would weed be illegal but spice is legal?
Spice is actually harmful. You aren't gonna get a prescription for spice anytime
soon from any licensed doctor. I dont think i'm getting my point across well
I really dont care, either way.
- 21 May. 2011 04:49am #39
Yes it should be it's not really harming anyone else if they legalize weed.
- 21 Jun. 2011 07:18pm #40
Also, the cartels are trying their hardest to prevent the legalization of marijuana, because they would lose lots of money. All of that violence along the border could be escalated and the drug importing problem would probably get violent seeing as the drug lords don't enjoy losing profits. Most other countries laws also make marijuana illegal. If we legalized it, they would look at us and see we are lowering our standards, which could create all sorts of political tension. We are already relaxing drug laws slowly, but at this point, legalizing marijuana is just some high teenagers fantasy.
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