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- 15 Dec. 2012 12:04am #41
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- 15 Dec. 2012 12:22am #42
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- 15 Dec. 2012 12:39am #43
Well this might be shit all to you but we can try help with advertising the forum, put a link in our channel featured sites , etc... just an idea
- 15 Dec. 2012 01:09am #44
No use in trying to advertise a dead and lethargic forum. None of the people who actually matter like the staff seem to care.
Thanks for offering though. At least someone's trying. Even if it's as ironic as that someone being a person who isn't really apart of the community, lol.Last edited by The Unintelligible; 15 Dec. 2012 at 01:21am.
- 15 Dec. 2012 01:38am #45
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Cleaning up the forum isnt gonna do any good the thing that we need is active programmers releasing programs that make people want to sign up for lg and smart people that post guides. I wouldnt care if they made you admin because there isnt anything big to do on this site except post on junkyard so what are you going to do. First thing you need to do is find a new game that is known and easy to fuck with.
- 15 Dec. 2012 01:46am #46
Nice reinventing the wheel. Isn't that the same thing that ultimately led to LG's demise? I believe so.
The first priority should be cleaning LG up. Then getting semi-active members and staff. Then revamping the forum (maybe implement a chat system/shoutbox again, ditch VBulletin, etc).
Overall this site needs a lot of refining before it's going anywhere imo.
- 15 Dec. 2012 01:53am #47
Well, We will be willing to help out, we are very active the pair of us just let us know
- 15 Dec. 2012 02:07am #48
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- 15 Dec. 2012 02:12am #49
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How exactly did it lead to its demise?
Why would we care about a chat box if no one is going to be on to talk? If a forum has no programs but has a chat i would def not sign up for it.
You can clean it up all you want but that wont bring in new members if you dont have anything good to offer them except the junkyard.
- 15 Dec. 2012 02:25am #50
Uh, LG's current state? Needless to say.
It's all a process. Obviously we don't need a chat now. Why would we throw anything on top of a dead forum? That's why I declined 2PotHeadz's offer before.
Why would we have anything good to offer right now? This entire forum is disjointed. Having programs and members isn't going to do anything if we're simply going to repeat the same cycle as before. That's obviously not a recipe for success.
First and foremost we need to clean this place up. Delete unnecessary forums, delete spam, archive threads, stickies, etc. And then there's the other aforementioned steps we should take.
- 15 Dec. 2012 02:29am #51
Yeah and that's exactly what I meant. "None of the people who actually matter seems to care." Artificial being the main person this statement is referencing.
But like I said, a lot more needs to be done than simply promoting members to staff positions. That would be a start though I guess.
- 15 Dec. 2012 02:38am #52
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What will we do to get people to stay?
- 15 Dec. 2012 02:42am #53
The simplest answer I can give is merely to create a decent forum again. Get everything back up and going, organize, revamp, upgrade, update, so on and so forth.
We need to make the underlying strives to achieve this though. And that's going to need dedication and effort.
Edit: Like for instance, you're barely active here anymore. GAMEchief who is concurrently doing school/college is more active than you. Artificial, who has a gf & job, is more active than you. Post more, bro.
COFFINCASE is rarely here too. And he used to be one of the most active members here. Raivu, too. Even despite claiming to love this forum to death.Last edited by The Unintelligible; 15 Dec. 2012 at 02:45am.
- 15 Dec. 2012 02:55am #54
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- 15 Dec. 2012 03:00am #55
We need programs too. It's just not what we need at the moment. We need to focus on getting this forum back together, then making programs. Which should not be a real issue provided we get some activity going on.
I know this is all easier said than done. It's going to take legitimate work. And a lot of it.
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- 15 Dec. 2012 04:00am #58
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I would be happy to even HELP him do this, but I don't know his IM or Steam, and he doesn't appear to log onto his own website much haha.
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- 15 Dec. 2012 03:52pm #61
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- 15 Dec. 2012 07:39pm #62
He didn't seem optimistic. His biggest concern is losing SEO from merging forums, and while you might have good ideas for forum structure, you don't really have experience in SEO. LG would lose a lot of PR and new users if you altered some of the forums here.
Though that said, a restructure is still possible without harming SEO. Forums like Neopets would hurt nothing to remove.
I told him he could debrief you on how to not fuck up SEO, but he might not want to put forth that effort.
He also doesn't want you being a permanent administrator, given no experience. The closest you could get is temporary administration solely to do the forum restructure; the rest of the work involved, such as moving topics and deleting spam, can be done as a moderator. So if you were made an administrator, it would be temporary to do the work involved and then you would be a mod thereafter.
If that sounds okay, maybe try contacting him yourself. If he doesn't want to debrief you on the SEO, I can. I can at least pinpoint the forums that aren't contributory. The ones that are gray areas, you can ask him about in the end, as he'll have better stats on them.
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I think, due to the current users (and I specify Users as opposed to admins, mods, etc.) who are on here every day and the inactivity of administration, it'd be in best interest if we handed administration privileges over to them as well.
I mean, you're entrusting the hands of LogicalGamers to it's trusted public. What's the worst that could happen? We "lose" more users?
As opposed to, what, the 12 we have now?
There's a great quote I heard forever ago that says "It's too bad that the people who really KNOW how to run our country are too busy making burgers and driving taxis"
The public is more active, they know what a public would want, so why not specific active daily users administration to help clean up the place and bring in more traffic?☜(* x *)☞FOOL ON COOL GENERATION
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- 18 Dec. 2012 02:20am #64
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But now, here's the trade off: What good is SEO when users come here and think it's a dead forum because of all of the empty topics and leave?
I understand what you're saying, but if it doesn't help us get new members, wouldn't we rather have an active looking forum to a select few, and then after we get a bit active expand our SEO back out so those new sub forums are active and bring in new members?
Sorry, just an idea.
I don't even think we could actually LOSE members right now. If we deleted every forum except the Junkyard, we would still keep our members I bet, because we can discuss anything in here and it's the most-posted-in forum.
I completely agree with you, voted in your poll, and posted in your thread haha. I hope you can be the one to bring changes, as we've been talking about it but no one can bring change because no one here but you really holds a higher place in the food change over base "Users".
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I'm more than happy to lead and bring changes.
I just don't want to be alone, because I'm not quite as active as I'd like to be. I can be, I just need to figure out how to get the LG phone app. I have that on me all the time.
But I'd like it so when I'm inactive and unable, a few others can be.
There's a time for change, and that time is now☜(* x *)☞FOOL ON COOL GENERATION
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- 18 Dec. 2012 08:54pm #66
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I have a suggestion. Why not make a serious list of goals, demands, desires, etc. Present them in a logical fashion ans explain how each achieves the other or helps with the ultimate goal of a revitalized LG?
Bitching about inactive admins, forum organization, or campaigning for new staff doesn't really fix any thing.
Flame's first post is in the right vein but ultimately is not really enough. LG literally needs to be rebooted with a clear agenda, goals, and focus.
Adverting is a waste of time since we don't have anything to advertise. New programs are a good idea but rather than randomly pursuing projects for various games we'd need to collectively pick a few games that people here like and know and focus on stuff for them. Subforum reorganization can wait till there is an actual reason to do it.
I would combine Raivu's public approach with Flame's and get a serious discussion going amongst all of us so we can get a goal, form a plan, and then put that into action.
- 18 Dec. 2012 10:33pm #67
- 18 Dec. 2012 10:34pm #68
GOAL: active administration
DEMAND: active administration
DESIRE: active administration
Logical plan: appoint an active administrator
I think we've done this already.
Subforum reorganization can wait till there is an actual reason to do it.
Subforum reorganization has an important reason: attracting new users and keeping participation high.
- 18 Dec. 2012 11:02pm #69
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Active how? Say you make Flame admin and he logs in every day and posts. He's active. What does that do for anyone?
An actual plan of action with what the new admin would do and why a new admin is required to carry out the plan. You know something that Arti could look at and sign off on might make him more willing to support new staff/admins.
Also the subforums aren't preventing activity or scaring people away. If any thing scares new users away it's us.The active community.
We're already reputed to be complete jackasses and scammers. No noobish person wants to trade on LG or be on LG because they're afraid of LG. Everyone else doesn't see any reason to be here.
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- 18 Dec. 2012 11:11pm #71
I really don't feel obligated to explain the subtleties of administration. It's not about choices and logic; it also heavily encompasses socialization and perception. You're arguing that ads should focus only on their pros and cons instead of celebrity endorsements, and the truth of the matter is that the latter makes sales. More needs to be done than numbers and degrees. There are a lot of changes administrators must take into account that are not intuitive but still time-tested. Flare has at least read the book on the matter. Don't negate it without experiencing it.
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- 23 Dec. 2012 02:07am #74
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I think he means Magic The Gathering.
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