******

[ʝдɮ]

H2O got banned for his quite bias version of this thread, and I want to outline my basic argument.

Claim: ****** is considered a racist term when used by white people
Claim: Black people use the term ****** often, and it is not considered racist
Claim: Racism is the discrimination of one race, or skin color, against another
Therefor: Black people are being racist by being allowed to use the term ****** themselves but not allowing white people to use the term.

Edit:

Whoops. Forgot to include rules. Stupid me, thinking people knew what a debate was:

No racism.
Don't make this about anything other then logic.

[HTML]

Wow, you would, you fucking would.

[ʝдɮ]

That post is neither relevant to the argument nor does it follow the thread rules. Please delete it.

[Artificial]

As long as people are mature and intelligent, I'll leave this open.

Debate seems to be a discussion of racism, not an act of racism itself.

[Plobby]

And Plobby will smack you if this gets out of hand. That includes any racist or semi-racist jokes.

[Beyoncé]

Black people use "*****" but not "******" ***** is free game but ****** is offensive. Funny how the world is

[ʝдɮ]

Black people use "*****" but not "******" ***** is free game but ****** is offensive. Funny how the world is

Suld it be okay for me to say ***** and/or negro?

[Souleater]

this is the way it is.
The term "******" was a term that was created to describe people of color, not black people. if you have ever studied or known anyone from India, they were called "******" too. People that were Asian in the early days of english and western influence called Asians "******" as well.
There is nothing to show that it was a term that was solely for black people. it is a term for people with more pigmentation in their skin, it is not a slur for a specific people, it was used for people of all color, minus the caucasions.

people from a caucoidal background deemed the term correct for people of color by people that were white.

it is a racial slur, but it is not used solely for blacks, it was used for all people of color. it has all together become a single slur for blacks through the years. it has become simplitized for the sake of singularity and ignorance believing in racial superiority.

that is the story behind it for how is racial.

the reason blacks use the word is supposed to be for racial empowerment, and to create a sense of taking back from the oppressors of slavery. it is now used as a normal slang word, all meaning of empowerment drained from it making nothing more than verbal ignorance.

[ʝдɮ]

I fail to see how that is an argument. It seems like just you being condescending about something we could have learned just as well from WikiPedia.

[iFresh]

H2O got banned for his quite bias version of this thread, and I want to outline my basic argument.

Claim: ****** is considered a racist term when used by white people
Claim: Black people use the term ****** often, and it is not considered racist
Claim: Racism is the discrimination of one race, or skin color, against another
Therefor: Black people are being racist by being allowed to use the term ****** themselves but not allowing white people to use the term.

Edit:

Whoops. Forgot to include rules. Stupid me, thinking people knew what a debate was:

No racism.
Don't make this about anything other then logic.

We, say ***** not ******. Its like when somebody calls you stupid or retarded you get mad, but when you call yourself stupid or retarded your feelings don't get hurt at all, it not we want to get mad just when white people say it, we do, because everytime a white person does say it, it is a term of racism. That's why we get offended, and you can't think of yourself just, because when you say it, black people get mad and you don't mean it that way, every white person make it seem as a term of racism so that is what we will take it as.(I'm only half black)

[Souleater]

I fail to see how that is an argument. It seems like just you being condescending about something we could have learned just as well from WikiPedia.

i'm not being condescending. i was merely stating that people have taken the word out of context to an extreme extent in its use by people today. blacks use the word with no context any more. it seems like all it is used for is a good song filler or something for them to say whenever they cant think of something to branch together a sentence.

it has no meaning anymore until it is exploded out of some 2-bit comedian's mouth, or some untalented musician that is trying to get his sales up or make him "edgey."

really think about it. it is nothing but a filler word now. but the second a white man says the word, its a fuse that ignites hatred, but a black guy can say it 10000000x a day and its just thrilling music or something else that is ignorant to no end.

but no Jak, i am not being condescending.

We, say ***** not ******. Its like when somebody calls you stupid or retarded you get mad, but when you call yourself stupid or retarded your feelings don't get hurt at all, it not we want to get mad just when white people say it, we do, because everytime a white person does say it, it is a term of racism. That's why we get offended, and you can't think of yourself just, because when you say it, black people get mad and you don't mean it that way, every white person make it seem as a term of racism so that is what we will take it as.(I'm only half black)

that sounds like black people are racist when compared to whites. you can say it all you want but that is racist in itself. if you feel hatred towards whites for their ignorance and use of the word, then that makes you racist for hating a white person due to their ignorance.


there is no point for racism or the use of that word for any reason at all. we are all equal. no one is any different, its only ignorance that makes us believe so.

[Shadow]

I fail to see how that is an argument. It seems like just you being condescending about something we could have learned just as well from WikiPedia.

I think he's just trying to explain a couple of things to you, then maybe you can understand as well.

I think we shouldn't even use those words at all when referring to people. It just creates problems amongst people, which is what everyone is.

IMHO, H20 got what he deserved.

[ʝдɮ]

We, say ***** not ******.

Its like when somebody calls you stupid or retarded you get mad, but when you call yourself stupid or retarded your feelings don't get hurt at all, it not we want to get mad just when white people say it, we do, because everytime a white person does say it, it is a term of racism.

That's why we get offended, and you can't think of yourself just, because when you say it, black people get mad and you don't mean it that way, every white person make it seem as a term of racism so that is what we will take it as.(I'm only half black)

I'm gonna take apart your argument. It's a bit disorganized. I'm just going to space it out.

1. I addressed this earlier

2. So are you saying that black people are one person? Because that's what the comparison you're making is.

3. Please restate this, I can't understand it.

[Shadow]

We, say ***** not ******. Its like when somebody calls you stupid or retarded you get mad, but when you call yourself stupid or retarded your feelings don't get hurt at all, it not we want to get mad just when white people say it, we do, because everytime a white person does say it, it is a term of racism. That's why we get offended, and you can't think of yourself just, because when you say it, black people get mad and you don't mean it that way, every white person make it seem as a term of racism so that is what we will take it as.(I'm only half black)

Just because a white person says it automatically makes it racist? Where's the logic in that?
What if he/she is just trying to get along.

It's hard to see how two black people can say it when referring to one another, and when white people say it it automatically turns into a racist matter.

[C0FFINCASE]

it is now used as a normal slang word, all meaning of empowerment drained from it making nothing more than verbal ignorance.

This.

P.C. crap is bull.
Race crap is bull.
I live in the deep south and as a white man I face more racism than any other skin colored person because how overly sensitive people are about the "past injustices". Government has set up countless programs that reward you for being a certain race and punish you for being a different race. If you don't go out of your way to help someone and they happen to be of color they call you racist, you don't vote for Obama and your racist, you want this job and you can't have it because your white and you don't like that you're racist, you can't get into college A because you're a white guy. Its all bullshit. I'm not racist. I don't care what color you are, where you come from, or what you've done. But because I've put up with this race crap I say ******, I don't care any more. Idiots come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. If you don't deserve something or didn't do the work you should get any thing just because of the color of your skin.

[iFresh]

I consider this spam(This post) so this is my first ever spam post.

I think this thread is retarded. This is no point in this, it will sooner or later get spammed.

[Smithno13]

We, say ***** not ******. Its like when somebody calls you stupid or retarded you get mad, but when you call yourself stupid or retarded your feelings don't get hurt at all, it not we want to get mad just when white people say it, we do, because everytime a white person does say it, it is a term of racism. That's why we get offended, and you can't think of yourself just, because when you say it, black people get mad and you don't mean it that way, every white person make it seem as a term of racism so that is what we will take it as.(I'm only half black)

Maybe you do, but the black kids at our school say "******"
I even saw a shirt today that said "I got 99 problems but my ****** aint one"

[Souleater]

Maybe you do, but the black kids at our school say "******"
I even saw a shirt today that said "I got 99 problems but my ****** aint one"

this is exactly what i mean. the word has created nothing but pure ignorance in the world. its become a card that people of color play when they feel that they have been wronged. no has been wronged. this is the fact, its ignorance. all that slavery shit, it happened well over a hundred years ago.
get over it, both parties, let it go. move the fuck on. 'nuff said.

[Souleater]

we don't say ****** get your facts straight, that word is used to call blacks ignorant.

we say *****. and none of the blacks find it offensive, when whites say whats up *****.

when thy say ****** we do.

1st things first, that is bull-shit. i have friends that are both black and white and i have heard the white guy say ***** and he ended up getting decked for it, he even exaggerated the a at the end just to show that there was no "er."

no matter what it is a one-sided bull-shit. no person should use the word, that is all there is to it. the whole idea that changing the ending of the word 100% changes the meaning of the word is bull-shit.

get over the word. it is not a big fucking thing. its just ignorant babble.

[Souleater]

then he said it to a person with low tolerance

tolerance made no difference in this. it is just pure ignorance to say the word, that is it. no person has any right to say that word. no person. period.

high tolerance. low tolerance, no tolerance, there is no reason to say that word to anyone whats-so-ever.

[Souleater]

well you guys made it. so lol. < No Saying You Made It >

you should learn the history of the word my friend. whites didnt make it, it existed long before whites started slavery. it originated long before that. its delusion to think one person make something. no one race of people can make a word.

here is your new lesson of the day:
race is incidental. whites are no better than blacks and vise versa, no one is better than the others. we are all equal.

and whites did not create the word. research is your friend.

[Souleater]

i hope people can get that through there heads but no they can't whites think they are more superior, a girl at my school thinks she's more superior than blacks because her dad is in the K.K.K

how many times can i say this: It. Is. Ignorance. simple as that. that is all. if she thinks that she is superior, let her, shes a fucking idiot. leave it at that.

dont base everything based on your personal ideals, base it on actually thinking. not just forming a totally biased opinion.

[master panda]

Im only half black and i rarely use the word....ill use it mayby once a day at the most

[Genari Ichijo]

I think the whole thing sounds like one big contradiction. In all personal opinions of the word, unless the person it is said to finds it offensive, than I'd say that it would not be racist. If the person that is saying it finds it offensive, than they should not be saying the word in the first place.

[Sydd]

I think it's stupid. All the guys in my school went around saying aye ***** sup?
I honestly, wouldn't talk like that, even just to a friend.
Nick always said ******,
really. Not sticking up for him or anything, but on msn and shit. Yeah.

[Gina]

The 'N' word comes from
Slave masters

They used to call their slave that word
so it is considered racist

And only dumb a** Wannabe ganstaz
Say that word

[Souleater]

The 'N' word comes from
Slave masters

They used to call their slave that word
so it is considered racist

And only dumb a** Wannabe ganstaz
Say that word

No. No. No.
the word was used more then 600 years ago. not mainly in the slave age. it was used by many people way before the whites in the American slave era. do not assume that it was just white slave masters.

and not only wangsters use the word. ignorant fools use the word.

[HollowX]

****** And ***** Is Different ****** IS OFFENSIVE ***** ISN't

And Negro is even more offensive.

[Slash]

we don't say ****** get your facts straight, that word is used to call blacks ignorant.

we say *****. and none of the blacks find it offensive, when whites say whats up *****.

when thy say ****** we do.

****** is the root word of *****.
I laugh at your logic.

Since ***** is okay, I guess I could walk up to one of the worst schools in my town, find someone who is black with a shit load of muscle, and say "hey *****", and nothing will happen to me?

[Souleater]

****** is the root word of *****.
I laugh at your logic.

Since ***** is okay, I guess I could walk up to one of the worst schools in my town, find someone who is black with a shit load of muscle, and say "hey *****", and nothing will happen to me?

according to Rape's logic as long as you pronounce it -a at the end its ok, not racist and he will welcome you with open arms with a hug and kiss and maybe a cookie and a reach-around.

think about it Rape. if any white person walked up to you that you didnt know and said, hey whats up *****? you wouldnt get offeneded. seriously, it will never be just a term of endearment, it will always be a term of race because true racists, which are the people who think the word is racist in the first place, say it is. its not racist anymore, its just fucking ignorance. i dont know what language to say it in, but ill try it this way, lamens: It. Eese. Igno-rant. Shi-t. Get. Ovar. Eet. (it is ignorant shit. get over it. get it now?)

its just ignrant and shouldnt be used. are you not getting it yet? there is no acceptable medium for that word. just dont use it and you wont look like an ignorant fool. i dont know how to break down any further then Barney style for you dude.

[Smithno13]

Saying ***** isnt as bad as ****** is like saying "special development" kids arent retarded. Its the same thing.

[ʝдɮ]

Saying ***** isnt as bad as ****** is like saying "special development" kids arent retarded. Its the same thing.

"Special development" gets you 0 shit, and retard gets you practically 0 as well.

[Smithno13]

At my school all the teachers are really sensitive about it, its stupid.

It wasnt a good example though, I was trying to come up with a better analogy.

[SN Art]

***** - Ignorant Motherfucker.
Negro - U.S. way of calling black americans
****** - What Soul said.

The term is racist,but they use it on each other, *****,Niggy, etc, you all use it the same. You dont see use walkign around calling wach other Crack'a or any other shit like that. In my opinion we just need to lose the word, its meaningless now.