I stop giving people intellectual credibility when they say that sexism doesn't exist

[GAMEchief]

Things like "sexism doesn't exist in modern times" is just a pet peeve. "It's not 1950. Nobody is sexist anymore."

Anyway, random thing I stumbled into -- the top Google queries for what men and women shouldn't do.

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Why do you feel so strongly about this when there are people getting killed for no reason in other countries?

[GAMEchief]

I wasn't aware I could only feel strongly about a single thing?

[SilkyNick]

I agree, I hate sexism and its obviously still around because gender roles are still all over the place even in media. I get tired of people telling me " you can't wear that/like that/watch that it's for girls" So what if I have a hello kitty phone case and a keychain big deal!

[C0FFINCASE]

Google's popular is the measure of how far we've come as a society?
The ideal of true equality for all people is impossible. Women's situation currently compared to start of women's rights movement:greatly improved. Gender roles aren't going away, sorry.

[GAMEchief]

Google's popular is the measure of how far we've come as a society?
The ideal of true equality for all people is impossible. Women's situation currently compared to start of women's rights movement:greatly improved. Gender roles aren't going away, sorry.

A) Not with that attitude.
B) They absolutely can be improved, whether or not done away with entirely, and saying it's not worth improving them is incredibly sexist.

[C0FFINCASE]

A) Not with that attitude.
B) They absolutely can be improved, whether or not done away with entirely, and saying it's not worth improving them is incredibly sexist.

a)or in reality with the imperfections of humanity and the general idiocy of the masses.
b)then I'm incredibly sexist but still somehow less so than about 80% of humanity. I'm not saying don't work to improve them I'm just saying that you are never going to have a perfect world. 50% of the US denies evolution. The Middle East basically denies women are human. Africa does ungodly things to them. There is human traffic in the US. I just accept the fact as they are. We can work to change them but the same problems more or less have plagued humanity since the beginning and they don't really seem to get solved, just moved around or disguised.

[GAMEchief]

b)then I'm incredibly sexist but still somehow less so than about 80% of humanity. I'm not saying don't work to improve them I'm just saying that you are never going to have a perfect world. 50% of the US denies evolution. The Middle East basically denies women are human. Africa does ungodly things to them. There is human traffic in the US. I just accept the fact as they are. We can work to change them but the same problems more or less have plagued humanity since the beginning and they don't really seem to get solved, just moved around or disguised.

You can't both be sexist by my definition and say "I'm not saying don't work to improve them," considering my definition is that not wanting to improve them is sexist. Which is it?
You are giving examples of reasons why we should fight sexism, not why we should accept it.

[Raivu]

Sexism is everywhere, of course.
We've got American, white male privilege. It doesn't get any better than where we're at. There are also more jobs, and higher paying jobs specifically for men than there are women too.

We're also expected to live up to societies standards.
Boys - Blue
Girls - Pink

My dog's a girl and we've got her a pink collar with butterflies on it. Specifically because She's a girl.
What if she actually had an opinion on that collar?

"the fuck is this? I like the color Blue. And eating hot dogs. And shitting everywhere, and watching TV"

[C0FFINCASE]

You can't both be sexist by my definition and say "I'm not saying don't work to improve them," considering my definition is that not wanting to improve them is sexist. Which is it?
You are giving examples of reasons why we should fight sexism, not why we should accept it.

I don't think I'm sexist. You said I was. I give reasons to fight sexism but also maintain fighting it will do nothing.

[GAMEchief]

I don't think I'm sexist. You said I was. I give reasons to fight sexism but also maintain fighting it will do nothing.

No, you said fighting it won't eradicate it entirely. And even if it doesn't, it's still worth fighting it to decrease sexist application.
I said you were only sexist if you disagreed with this, to which you said, "I guess I'm sexist, even though I agree with attempting to decrease it."

[C0FFINCASE]

No, you said fighting it won't eradicate it entirely. And even if it doesn't, it's still worth fighting it to decrease sexist application.
I said you were only sexist if you disagreed with this, to which you said, "I guess I'm sexist, even though I agree with attempting to decrease it."

Ok then. So we agree? Other than I'm apathetic about the issue and you aren't.
Realistically, I think we can fix the "glass ceiling" and fix gender bias in the work place. Other than that I don't believe you'll ever get anywhere. The most effective method in my opinion would be an update to gender roles, removal would be hard but you could continue to change the gender roles so that they were more equal. However when someone tells me that women that dress as women, wear makeup, and let men hold the door for them are hurting the cause I tend to think they' re an idiot.

[GAMEchief]

Gender roles are changing. The things we consider "taboo" and think will never catch on are exactly what will catch on. Just think a few generations back. A modern day woman was a taboo, rebel. It was a "phase," and it was "ungodly." And now women can have dyed hair and tattoos and piercings and sloppy clothing and men's clothing (though we haven't accepted men in women's clothing yet; because apparently there's something wrong with being womanly but not manly), and people consider it looking normal. And it is. It was not long ago at all that we thought otherwise.

We won't reach a perfect philosophical agreement about the sexes across the entire planet, no. Obviously not. And my house will never be made out of solid gold on a beautiful mountain Norway, but that doesn't mean I want to be homeless either. There are repairs to be made, so do them. It's really more to do with just being a decent human being. Normalizing sexism is problematic, and apathy is either willful ignorance or immoral.

[AlwaysTesting]

Yeah I happened along this before on Facebook, it does suck that people think that way even if they do it subconsciously. I play a few games like LOTRO and others with a friend and we both have mage and tank characters. All his characters are male but when he talks about his mage he says 'her' or 'she' without realizing it and when I get on my tank he refers to it as a 'he' or 'him'. Just like when people think of cat they think girl and when they think of dog they think boy, everyone is basically programmed to think this way without realizing it most of the time. Sexism is quite the problem in this world but it's only one of many.

[ya bish]

The woman one kind of made me laugh.

[GAMEchief]

everyone is basically programmed to think this way without realizing it most of the time.

Yes, it is socially ingrained. It's not something evolutionary though. We can override it and refrain from teaching it to others. It just takes practice.

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itt: the problem with America. People arguing over stupid bullshit while there's much more important stuff that needs attention.

[GAMEchief]

Like how women are statistically less likely to be able to get or pursue an education in any field of application to be able to improve upon larger problems. When we cut our students and workforce in half, we do tend to be unable to solve larger issues.

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Like how women are statistically less likely to be able to get or pursue an education in any field of application to be able to improve upon larger problems. When we cut our students and workforce in half, we do tend to be unable to solve larger issues.

I know it's wrong, but most Americans are far too self-absorbed to realize that there are more pressing issues than a woman's salary. That's even if they care about women's salaries in the first place.

[GAMEchief]

Not even talking about salaries. Talking about education. Stereotype threat hinders the American education system for women significantly, and not only is it normalized, it's promoted in almost every form of common media.