Anarchy

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The Ottoman Empire tried to force people many people they conquered with "firepower" and look at what happened to them.

Yes, but that's the Ottoman Empire. They didn't have enough firepower.

That's not idiotic, that's anarchy. Families are a societal thing. The only reason you think any one is important is due to societal values or some deluded idea that you have ownership over them(aka love). In short they don't exist in anarchy after a generation or two. The individual is the ruler in anarchy, the only reason to associate with anyone is to take from them or kill them.
Of course I'm arguing from the negative prospective because I don't believe in natural law or the inherent good of humanity. If you believe in that then anarchy is this sort of blissful social network with not rules and nothing ever bad happens cause you're free and good you won't kill Jimmy to take his 50" flat screen that you really want even though if you do no one will do jack shit about it or has the right to cause there are no laws or rules.
You want to see anarchy look at history. State/countries are in anarchy. There is no real international law and each state does what it thinks is best. They form alliances temporarily then turn around and attack their allies after their perceived foes are killed. The only reason that things don't completely fall apart any more like they used to is because their is a hedgemon. Hedgemons are the strongest, biggest, baddest kids on the block and force event to go in their favor. When ever a hedgemon weakens there are really big wars. I'll give you two famous examples: WWI & WWII. Britain and France fell from power, America and Germany and Russia fight over who replaces who in the world. Things have only been peaceful for as long as they have because we currently live in a unipolar world, which is unprecedented. In other words through out history there have been to hedgemons who fight intermediately but mostly keep things balanced and peaceful aside from taking shots at each other every decade or so. Since the fall of the USSR the US has owned the world and because we're a free market economy and peace is good for business we point our nukes at people, limit who gets nukes, and started making other countries free market economies so we could make money. The Us is declining now as the hedgemon, we may yet stay the most powerful country in the world but we will not be able to take on the whole world as we could have say 10-20 years ago. If we screw up and slip more than we have then eventually Europe and the US end up in a war with Russia and China with India on one side or the other. Oh, and we lose.

You underestimate the power of capitalism and the natural greed of humans.

If we went to war with China, all they'd need to do is shut down all their exports to this country. They wouldn't even need to lift a finger because armies are superficial when it comes to dealing with the countries that have managed to make themselves more important.

However, I digress. People may be backstabbing assholes, but there are certain ingrained habits and values that people will cling onto for dear life. Family is one of the bigger ones. There is no state of anarchy where the entire fabric of a society, governed or otherwise, falls apart because then those people are no longer people in a state of anarchy, but livestock in an ungoverned area. Even if there was, it would not last for very long.

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You underestimate the power of capitalism and the natural greed of humans.

If we went to war with China, all they'd need to do is shut down all their exports to this country. They wouldn't even need to lift a finger because armies are superficial when it comes to dealing with the countries that have managed to make themselves more important.

However, I digress. People may be backstabbing assholes, but there are certain ingrained habits and values that people will cling onto for dear life. Family is one of the bigger ones. There is no state of anarchy where the entire fabric of a society, governed or otherwise, falls apart because then those people are no longer people in a state of anarchy, but livestock in an ungoverned area. Even if there was, it would not last for very long.

No, I'm not. I study these things in detail. I'm a political science major so all I do is debate this topic.
China need the US as much as the US needs China. We're the only country that consumes their production and a ton of their factories are for American based companies. China cuts us and they'll starve. Though they're sitting on the largest foreign capital reserve they've let most of it out to help stabilize the market in this global recession. There would be armies if war started in a formal way and in that scenario China and Russia win. Army size really isn't the factor being considered, technologically the US has far more advanced military tactics and equipment. The ultimate end and the reason the US is dominate in the world is we can stop nukes. We have superior missile defenses compared to the rest of the world and better nukes, aside from that we have other countries nukes could frame them for things. If the war goes nuclear we might win, but even then Russia has some missile defense and a ton of nukes.

No, you're bias. You were raised to think family is important and are part of society that heralds family as important. Ultimately you have to look at people that are outside of social bindings. A true member of an anarchy would act more akin with an animal or some one like Son Of Sam or Zodiac. Highly intellectual people that realize society is a construct and completely fake. In true anarchy there is no society. There is no association. People are livestock more in this system than in the idealistic on we're talking about. In anarchy they would at least be free, even if souly driven by animalistic passions, they would be uninfluenced by market pressures and able to think clearly and for themselves.

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No, I'm not. I study these things in detail. I'm a political science major so all I do is debate this topic.
China need the US as much as the US needs China. We're the only country that consumes their production and a ton of their factories are for American based companies. China cuts us and they'll starve. Though they're sitting on the largest foreign capital reserve they've let most of it out to help stabilize the market in this global recession. There would be armies if war started in a formal way and in that scenario China and Russia win. Army size really isn't the factor being considered, technologically the US has far more advanced military tactics and equipment. The ultimate end and the reason the US is dominate in the world is we can stop nukes. We have superior missile defenses compared to the rest of the world and better nukes, aside from that we have other countries nukes could frame them for things. If the war goes nuclear we might win, but even then Russia has some missile defense and a ton of nukes.

No, you're bias. You were raised to think family is important and are part of society that heralds family as important. Ultimately you have to look at people that are outside of social bindings. A true member of an anarchy would act more akin with an animal or some one like Son Of Sam or Zodiac. Highly intellectual people that realize society is a construct and completely fake. In true anarchy there is no society. There is no association. People are livestock more in this system than in the idealistic on we're talking about. In anarchy they would at least be free, even if souly driven by animalistic passions, they would be uninfluenced by market pressures and able to think clearly and for themselves.

Russia has more nukes and more ways to deploy them/more launch areas.

And no, family is something pretty normal in the animal kingdom. You can never have the anarchy you're talking about because most people are content to live their lives like sheep guided by a select few. And you know what? That's perfectly fine. What happens to animals on a farm when the farmers suddenly vanish without a trace? They starve because they can't think for themselves anyway. In short, if you've got a herd of livestock now, they're not going to become self-governing individuals just because the hand that feeds them and pushes them in a certain direction isn't there anymore.

Actually, you'd be very hard-pressed to convince people to not form some sort of group or government, some way to keep things in order.

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Russia has more nukes and more ways to deploy them/more launch areas.

And no, family is something pretty normal in the animal kingdom. You can never have the anarchy you're talking about because most people are content to live their lives like sheep guided by a select few. And you know what? That's perfectly fine. What happens to animals on a farm when the farmers suddenly vanish without a trace? They starve because they can't think for themselves anyway. In short, if you've got a herd of livestock now, they're not going to become self-governing individuals just because the hand that feeds them and pushes them in a certain direction isn't there anymore.

Actually, you'd be very hard-pressed to convince people to not form some sort of group or government, some way to keep things in order.

Russia doesn't have that many working launch capabilities, officially owned by the government. The private interest that rule Russia could have any thing. Family is only temporary in most other species, like mates. Its all short lived and in crisis falls apart, with mothers eating children and fathers killing mothers, ect.
Only sheep have the problem of needing to form groups. That's not alright. The government is not a provider or benevolent. Its a terrible dangerous thing that is constantly being exploited and used by special interest and only when the societies that create them are educated, civil minded, and constantly active do they avoid its complete corruption. People must think, people must not be sheep. The cycle must be broken. There are many that would adapt in the event of the removal of the government, tons more would die.The race would be better off for it.
My version of anarchy is anarchy at its ideal, simple as that. Not all people need a government or a group to impose order, they do it themselves.