Black Holes

[Souleater]

What are the theoretical thoughts behind the abstract environment of total destruction and mystery that is a black hole?

My thoughts on the subject is almost irrelevant, but the fact is, there is a good bit of thought an discussion behind the black hole.

Begin.

[noob]

A Black hole is caused by the collapse of a neutron star's core (i.e. the leftovers that sometimes occur after a star dies.) It spreads over a funnel-shaped (more or less) area in space, with a central point of theoretically infinite mass called a singularity, which exerts amazing gravitational force. Even light can't escape.

According to science, recreating a singularity (or as close to it as you can) is pretty much recreating the condition of the universe before the Big Bang. According to the same line of thinking, the world may end in the reverse of the Big Bang, or the theoretical 'Big Crunch.'

[Souleater]

A Black hole is caused by the collapse of a neutron star's core (i.e. the leftovers that sometimes occur after a star dies.) It spreads over a funnel-shaped (more or less) area in space, with a central point of theoretically infinite mass called a singularity, which exerts amazing gravitational force. Even light can't escape.

According to science, recreating a singularity (or as close to it as you can) is pretty much recreating the condition of the universe before the Big Bang. According to the same line of thinking, the world may end in the reverse of the Big Bang, or the theoretical 'Big Crunch.'

My best thought is that it is based solely in nothing more than theory and there are an infinite amount of possibilities that exist with such a scientific conundrum that is the black hole. If singularity has a big bang quality to it, then there is no reason to not speculate on how the whole thing works.


Lets let the thread delve into the theoretical thoughts that are just pure possibility, and not 100% scientific (boring) theory. Use your imagination when thinking of the black hole, and lets use that.

[noob]

according to some stuff I heard of, they say that space-time distortion takes place in the areas of space near a black hole (a rather large radius but not exactly calculated.)

If this is true, we may have some interesting possibilities opening up. For instance, teleportation might be finally perfected, as some form of advanced quantum phasing, perhaps.

[Souleater]

according to some stuff I heard of, they say that space-time distortion takes place in the areas of space near a black hole (a rather large radius but not exactly calculated.)

If this is true, we may have some interesting possibilities opening up. For instance, teleportation might be finally perfected, as some form of advanced quantum phasing, perhaps.

I look at the black hole as the ultimate answer to inter-galactic travel, and to space travel in general. I think its the key to all of the answers that we need to make something like "light-speed" work. its all something that is more than possible with the space-time and quantic distortion around the center of the black hole.

[noob]

I look at the black hole as the ultimate answer to inter-galactic travel, and to space travel in general. I think its the key to all of the answers that we need to make something like "light-speed" work. its all something that is more than possible with the space-time and quantic distortion around the center of the black hole.

there's kinda one little problem - everything that gets drawn into the singularity gets smashed into it. Basically they just become part of the black hole. A wormhole might fit the description better if they managed to actually rip the space-time continuum apart without destabilizing everything within 1,000 mile radius perhaps.

[Souleater]

there's kinda one little problem - everything that gets drawn into the singularity gets smashed into it. Basically they just become part of the black hole. A wormhole might fit the description better if they managed to actually rip the space-time continuum apart without destabilizing everything within 1,000 mile radius perhaps.

But there is no proof that it smashes anything, in theory, yes it destroys everything, but in actuality, we will never know until we do something daring and find out.

wormholes are basically a theoretical piece of work that is a trip to the past, a galactic flux-capacitor if you will. And as far as black holes ripping time, that doesnt work. It rips space on an epic scale though. And a rip in space would allow for the traversing of the Universe in the blink of an eye.

[noob]

but it does smash whatever enters it. Technically the effect's compression of the existing mass into the singularity due to its gravitational pull.

As you mentioned though, Hyperspace might definitely be workable on that basis. I just wish I stayed alive long enough to see it happen.

[Souleater]

but it does smash whatever enters it. Technically the effect's compression of the existing mass into the singularity due to its gravitational pull.

As you mentioned though, Hyperspace might definitely be workable on that basis. I just wish I stayed alive long enough to see it happen.

Well since the mass would be compressed at an infinite rate, its not necessarily smashing anything, its just compressing it on a massive scale. so its possible to traverse. All it would need is a vehicle with a strong enough outer casing to withstand the compression for a minute to make it to the other side, and an amount of fuel large enough to push the vehicle through the hole.

[noob]

Well since the mass would be compressed at an infinite rate, its not necessarily smashing anything, its just compressing it on a massive scale. so its possible to traverse. All it would need is a vehicle with a strong enough outer casing to withstand the compression for a minute to make it to the other side, and an amount of fuel large enough to push the vehicle through the hole.

But it's impossible for even diamonds to get out of a black hole intact. Even if we could make a vehicle strong enough to get into a black hole, before it even went a few feet the terrible pressure would flatten it like an iron plate. There's no arguing with the laws of hydraulics.

BTW, diamonds were just an example. Tungsten Carbide is the strongest substance known to man as of now.

[Souleater]

But it's impossible for even diamonds to get out of a black hole intact. Even if we could make a vehicle strong enough to get into a black hole, before it even went a few feet the terrible pressure would flatten it like an iron plate. There's no arguing with the laws of hydraulics.

Diamonds isnt the strongest material on the planet. a vehicle created with a synthetic material, or something like a radioactive material reinforced metal sythetic. it would be able to withstand the hydrological force that would be put forth by a black hole. it would compress any material that is used normally today. but there are materials that if made right would survive the compression.

[Gina]

I think its just a big open gravitational center...
I do think they are very mysterious though

[Artificial]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to go with noob. Nothing can withstand the sheer power of a black hole. Once you've entered it, you're gone.

Although, hypothetically scientists have argued that as you're being drawn in to the black hole, if you were to travel very fast (i.e. 0.999999c), relative to stationary observers outside of the blackhole's gravitational pull, you could travel faster then the speed of light, therefore making relative time travel possible. Althought, this is all speculation, and beyond the realms of human possibility.

Wormhole seems the most reasonable form of space travel over large distances, though again, right now seems beyond our wildest capabilities.

[La Vie Cruelle]

Diamonds isnt the strongest material on the planet. a vehicle created with a synthetic material, or something like a radioactive material reinforced metal sythetic. it would be able to withstand the hydrological force that would be put forth by a black hole. it would compress any material that is used normally today. but there are materials that if made right would survive the compression.

If you even think of entering a black hole you would have to be faster than the speed of light just to POSSIBLY exit the event horizon, sure you may have this supped up vehicle that could withstand the force of it, but what the hell are you going to do to knock down the gravitational pull towards the center of no return if you have to abort the mission? ALTHOUGH! The possible end of a black hole is a white hole, since it is the reverse of a black hole. There is just too much missing information to proove such a theory. Just throwing something into the black hole, and finding out it really is just a big mass of radiation and heat wont do us any good.

The inside of a black hole is invisible to us, since it doesn't reflect any light. For all we know it could be a mass of turns and tunnels that link up with various white holes around the universe.

Yes I realize my thoughts are jumbled >.>; I've been having an arguement in my own head that goes back and forth for ages about this topic.

[NotNeccesary]

I have a hard time believing Black Holes have that much power seeing as they're sucking things from around the area of the hole and sucking them in. If that was happening and light can't escape one trapped then how does anything around the black hole stay there if everything in that zone would be getting sucked in unless it was fast enough or there was a certain aspect to the chemical or whatever it is floating by there to resist getting sucked in by the black hole.

[Artificial]

I have a hard time believing Black Holes have that much power seeing as they're sucking things from around the area of the hole and sucking them in. If that was happening and light can't escape one trapped then how does anything around the black hole stay there if everything in that zone would be getting sucked in unless it was fast enough or there was a certain aspect to the chemical or whatever it is floating by there to resist getting sucked in by the black hole.

I don't understand what you're getting at.

Everything aroud the black hole gets sucked in.

[C0FFINCASE]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to go with noob. Nothing can withstand the sheer power of a black hole. Once you've entered it, you're gone.

Although, hypothetically scientists have argued that as you're being drawn in to the black hole, if you were to travel very fast (i.e. 0.999999c), relative to stationary observers outside of the blackhole's gravitational pull, you could travel faster then the speed of light, therefore making relative time travel possible. Althought, this is all speculation, and beyond the realms of human possibility.

Wormhole seems the most reasonable form of space travel over large distances, though again, right now seems beyond our wildest capabilities.

Ok, forgive me but as I understand the whole black hole thing is your star goes boom and then condenses itself into super small speck and the speck is so impossibly dense due to the way its rotating and its composition that that bam it pushes down on space time, nearly if not completely punching right on through. Then because of the laws of gravitation crap gets pulled in, even light. Which is how you find them in space, you look for nothing and some intense radiation. For all that to be possible we believe that the gravity and bending of space time goes on down to a point that is singularity. An while we assume that when say a human enters it they are pulled on down into a line of subatomic particles moving very slowly toward whatever, we actually know so very little to nothing about a black hole and space time bending that we have no clue about what would happen if you went into one or what happens to things that go in.
The time travel bit usually comes from you getting close enough to the damned thing but not too close and times went slower cause of the gravity and all this jargon.
Wormholes are sort of us assuming that black holes go some where, be it in this universe or otherwise.
There is no argument as to the power of a black hole, its as powerful if not more so than we think, its the only is could be warping the laws of reality and exist out there in space. Its just part of a life cycle of a star, star dies, goes boom as it collapses in on itself and pulls the debris back in on itself making a black hole, send of energy wave that hits cosmic dust that turns into stars, repeat process.(well in so many word any way. One I'm tired so no technical, two people (not Soul, Arti, or Jenny) don't seem to understand the information so simplified terms were supplied. )

[Kain]

I like to think that by going through the hole, we travel to a different Universe.

Which is why, when I die, I want to be launched through a black hole.

[Artificial]

I don't see what all the speculation is about. Black hole has such immense gravitational attraction that it crushes anything that is drawn in to it. That's gravity. The gravitational attraction of the earth keeps us rooted to the ground. What if that gravitational attraction was 10x stronger? We would die. Now imagine what would happen if that gravitational attraction was millions of times stronger? Answer should be fairly obvious.

Our entire galaxy is slowly being drawn in to the black hole at the centre. That is huge stars and solar systems. I'm sorry, but humans just don't stand a chance. I mean, you could hypothesise what's at the centre and whatnot, but any tangible interactions between humans and blackholes should be disregarded.

[The Seftrex]

Interesting to say the least.

My view on a Black Hole or any form of gravitational force is, it is in the eye of the beholder.

For someone to state that "Upon reaching the horizon of a Black Hole, your body shall be reduced to a string of atoms" is... A Theory and not actually based on facts. At this precise moment in time all we can do is draw conclusions from our own knowledge on gravitational forces and singularities.

So my view on Black Holes (I love Quantum Mechanics and anything related in some way), nothing can escape one... But to truely understand this unknown nature creation, it must be studied from afar and as such we will never truely understand the complexities of its design.

Are they to be feared? Obviously
Will one destroy Earth? Eventually, but the likelyhood is that Earth will be destroyed or consumed by the sun/Red Giant. But all life on Earth would be destroyed by the increase in gamma radiation from the sun long before that.

Am I bothered? Nope not in the slightest. Events like that are scary but not going to happen in our life time.

Not a very scientific response and highly unlike me but meh, I just woke up so bare with me.

(Happy to be back on LG by the way )

[chowchig]

Our entire galaxy is slowly being drawn in to the black hole at the centre. That is huge stars and solar systems. I'm sorry, but humans just don't stand a chance. I mean, you could hypothesise what's at the centre and whatnot, but any tangible interactions between humans and blackholes should be disregarded.

I thought the universe was still expanding.

[The Seftrex]

I thought the universe was still expanding.

The universe is still expanding but at one point it is theorised, that the Universe will retract. So you could make the assumption the Black hole at the center of the universe (which is impossible to determine techniquely because the universe is still expanding), is not strong enough.

There is also the theory that the universe will continue to expand and dark matter will be all we can see in the night sky as the stars will be so far away.

[Souleater]

The universe is still expanding but at one point it is theorised, that the Universe will retract. So you could make the assumption the Black hole at the center of the universe (which is impossible to determine techniquely because the universe is still expanding), is not strong enough.

There is also the theory that the universe will continue to expand and dark matter will be all we can see in the night sky as the stars will be so far away.

well, since the universe is ever-expanding, a black hole at the center strong enough to cause the universe to contract would be strong enough to suck in endless galaxies within its area of pull. it would be an interesting look at how the universe would react to the power of a black hole.

[Smithno13]

I thought the universe was still expanding.

He is talking about the galaxy, not the universe.
The center of the milky way is theoretically a black hole, which everything is orbiting around, slowly being drawn in.

[TEMPTii]

Once you've entered a black hole, it completely rips apart your body. It's like walking into a 5,000,000 MPH tornado.

Prove this.

If a black whole is in essence, a "giant vacuum" then it would suck in everything correct? Doesn't that mean it sucks things out to make as much room? For example, in space movies when a hole is made in the hull of a spacecraft, things fly towards the hole and come out right? Substitute the hull for a human body. After everything is sucked out of you, it would pull you together until the amount of space you're taking up is to a minimum or generally speaking, compressing the mass to the smallest volume & highest density possible.

E: I like how the actual logical discussion stopped after Shojo posted.

[Eli]

My thought on the matter is probably really stupid.

However, i believe blackholes to be a portal out of this universe.
In the process of being transported from universe to universe, we get vegetized.

Because the entrance to this separate universe is in itself a vacuum that pulls us through and rips us a part, it would be impossible to travel through.

[TEMPTii]

My thought on the matter is probably really stupid.

However, i believe blackholes to be a portal out of this universe.
In the process of being transported from universe to universe, we get vegetized.

Because the entrance to this separate universe is in itself a vacuum that pulls us through and rips us a part, it would be impossible to travel through.

I thought i've already explained that it doesn't rip apart ._.

Although I see your point where a black hole can't just take things into nowhere. The only way we can really theorize anything along these lines is if we know the shape of a black hole. Is it a funnel? Theres an opening and a tip. Or is it some kind of uncomprehendable hole where every side is just empty space leading into something, which would support your idea.

[razzle_wins]

Ok, first off i skipped through a few posts, i know i'm lazy... but it was a lot.. so i don't know if the following has been said, if it has , please excuse me.

Many of the posts talk about the black hole its self, but the challenges of entering one are equally worth the conversation, the gravity emanating into the black hole would pull your craft in at a very high very high speed, causing unknown damage when your craft touches the giant powerful tornado whirlpool outside of the black hole... the force in that whirlpool is enough to destroy pretty much everything we know on earth for now.. and most likely, once we start going around in the circle, if we did have a strong enough spacecraft, the friction would heat up the craft to heats unknown to mankind for now....

two cents given

@temp.. Kay fixed it, srry...

[TEMPTii]

Ok, first off i skipped through a few posts, i know i'm lazy... but it was a lot.. so i don't know if the following has been said, if it has , please excuse me.

Many of the posts talk about the black hole its self, but the challenges of entering one are equally worth the conversation, the gravity emanating into the black hole would pull your craft in at a very high very high speed, causing unknown damage when your craft touches the giant powerful tornado whirlpool outside of the black hole... the force in that whirlpool is enough to destroy pretty much everything we know on earth.. and most likely, once we start going around in the circle, if we did have a strong enough spacecraft, the friction would heat up the craft to heats unknown to mankind....

two cents given

One thing you needed to add to your keywords. "known to mankind now" we've already came to the conclusion that even the hardest material (diamonds) couldn't withstand the pressure. In the future we will find new materials/compounds stronger than diamond but if light cant even escape the hole, I doubt any tangible object would be able to withstand such pressure.

[razzle_wins]

One thing you needed to add to your keywords. "known to mankind now" we've already came to the conclusion that even the hardest material (diamonds) couldn't withstand the pressure. In the future we will find new materials/compounds stronger than diamond but if light cant even escape the hole, I doubt any tangible object would be able to withstand such pressure.

Anti-matter perhaps? It has enough force to destroy matter, So perhaps a controlled (so it doesn't blow up?) shield of it would keep the ship safe? That is probably impossible, but would it be worth a try?

[TEMPTii]

It's referred to as dark matter now. Well, I'm not sure at this point, my thoughts are probably stupid as can get on this.

If a black hole uses gravity to compress something to the point where no more free space is left in it, maybe that's what the hull of a ship should be made out of. Extremely thick walls of super condensed matter that could be condensed any further. Could work ;o

[razzle_wins]

It's referred to as dark matter now. Well, I'm not sure at this point, my thoughts are probably stupid as can get on this.

If a black hole uses gravity to compress something to the point where no more free space is left in it, maybe that's what the hull of a ship should be made out of. Extremely thick walls of super condensed matter that could be condensed any further. Could work ;o

meh, don't worry Let me google that for you :p i had to do a google search too...

Wouldn't it collapse in on itself? because it would also condense inside too... I'm not entirely sure... couldn't it condense the crew too?

We would need a tool that does what a black hole does? Condenses you and your craft safely? There are so many ways we could do this.. how do we even know exactly what will work?

[TEMPTii]

If it collapsed on itself, it will indefinitely condense the crew unless your crew is a bunch of super condensed fat people.

If we compressed ourselves, that's defeats the point of a craft. We don't know it will work, everything in this thread is just theory.

[TEMPTii]

In some cases that could happen. I was watching Morgan Freeman's Through the Wormhole and it was discussing the difference between dark matter and dark energy. The theory is that dark energy encompasses everything, including black holes. Dark energy would pass through black holes as well. When the dark energy moves, it brings what it is encompassing like a black hole. That would be the case for black holes to meet but I can't even guess what would happen next. I can say that black holes shouldn't form near one another because if a star was close enough to go through all stages of its life, it would be within the danger radius of the black hole which would swallow it up etc etc...

[Souleater]

Since black holes suck in Everything around it...I wonder what would happen if a black hole was near another black hole. I have no knowledge of black holes, just wondering.

Well, considering the fact that black holes are theoretically, the most powerful force in the universe, if they were to form near each other, nothing would happen, and they would cancel each other out. The force would do nothing. Also, the chances of 2 black holes forming simultaneously, right next to each other is so astronomical, that it cannot really be fathomed, let alone possible.

[lilvoice32]

i read a lot of this, and you said to put ideas n such, not having to be entirely scientific.
so what if when the black hole "rips the time space continuum" it would be like going to a different dimension? idk. im just a sophomore, so im not as smart as you guys, but it does seem like that would make sense, right?