Dragons:did they exist? (kinda long but interesting)

[Sinister Faith]

in asian culture , they say dragon is the ruler of the sea , they carry out job which was sent by the sky ( god ) like making rain , flood and tsunami as punishment

[Flare]

I believe in dragons

[Souleater]

No matter how much evidence is put forht, dragons will always be viewed as fairytale creatures that cannot possibly exist. Yes there is evidence, but I havent seen anything solid yet. And that is what I'm going to wait for. I personally have no view on the evolution of dragons, although it has merit. But lets face it, dragons would probably have died out long before humans ever came along, especially if they were around during the time of the dinosaurs they would have been extinct, because if they lived, what made them so special that they lived the total eradication of 90 some odd percent of the species on the earth, why didnt they live till the time of people, because trust me, if they had, there would have been documentation of those kinds of those creatures.

I'm not saying they dont exist, and im not saying that they do, but until i see some hard evidence, I cannot pick a side.

[Qwerty]

I personally don't beleive but one time tis kid at my school wa in the library looking at a kids dragon book (one with the fake materials in the pages saying they are something real) and saw dragon scales and he shouted out
this is proof and he was serious it made me laugh

[Sinister Faith]

YouTube - Dragons, a Fantasy made Real - Part 2

watch this and it might give you a different interest :p

[Souleater]

YouTube - Dragons, a Fantasy made Real - Part 2

watch this and it might give you a different interest :p

Wow, youtube, its crediable now. e_e
Until a science journal comes out with a big ass title that says "DRAGONS AND FAERIES ARE REAL!!!!!1001011101! 1337n355!" I'm not going to even give it a second thought.

[Drakonid]

and im not talking about dinosaurs, im talking about fire breathing dragons. some cultures have evidence that what we think were dinosaurs are actually variations of fire breathing dragons. there is so much evidence saying they existed, from biblical points of view, historical, and even scientific evidence for you non christians.

the bible speaks of

That's were I stopped reading.

[Snow-kun]

I believe in dragons.
They might have gone extinct before humans existed.
Then again, The dragons may have [evolved] and became smaller and now is a cousin of the lizards that lives nowadays.
Well, that's my belief.

[Drakonid]

Did you just call me an idiot?
I believe that's flaming, so please calm down.
Also, I'm not finding your "non biblical evidence".

[Souleater]

Did you just call me an idiot?
I believe that's flaming, so please calm down.
Also, I'm not finding your "non biblical evidence".

Its called read everything.

As far as the komodo dragons go, it was theorized that they ahd once been the dragons that we are talking about, but that was debunked since they are too different from their winged and fire breathing reptilian-bretheren.

They have many of the same qualities, but there would be some trace of the original, and there are no joints for where wings would have ceased to be, and the gland and structure of the komodo is more comparable to a snake, given its qualities, its size is just a coincidence.

[Snow-kun]

It was also believed that snakes had a feet.

[Drakonid]

Ok, I'll use a code:
Theology
Folklore

(Both, mainly theology)

and im not talking about dinosaurs, im talking about fire breathing dragons. some cultures have evidence that what we think were dinosaurs are actually variations of fire breathing dragons. there is so much evidence saying they existed, from biblical points of view, historical, and even scientific evidence for you non christians.

[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]the bible speaks of dragons mannnnny times over again, but one area i like is Job chapter 41:

15 His back has  rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 His snorting throws out flashes of light;
his eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Firebrands stream from his mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from his nostrils
as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds.
21 His breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from his mouth.
22 Strength resides in his neck;
dismay goes before him.
23 The folds of his flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 His chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When he rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before his thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches him has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron he treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make him flee;
slingstones are like chaff to him.
29 A club seems to him but a piece of straw;
he laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 His undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 He makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 Behind him he leaves a glistening wake;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is his equal—
a creature without fear.
34 He looks down on all that are haughty;
he is king over all that are proud."

this basically seems like what we automatically think about when we think dragon, except for the fact that it lives in the ocean.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="rgb(255, 140, 0)"]also, if you don't believe in the bible, think about it. every single culture has recorded some type of dragon like creature. whether it be gods, demons, guardians, or just monsters. every culture has recorded some type of dragon. and i realize some of these cultures could have mingled and shared ideas, but not all of them could have come in contact with other cultures....its also been said that the missing part of marco polo's notes spoke of the chinese people having chariots pulled by dragons and dragons chained as pets in the royal areas. [/COLOR]

well if you want more info on this and other things similar to this go to Creation Science Evangelism | Creation. Evolution. Dinosaurs. The Bible. and watch the videos. they're kinda long but they will make you think alot and make you feel like a complete idiot for believing certain ways. the videos actually provide proof to their claims also. well what do you think about dragons? and sorry its so long

(Both)

in asian culture , they say dragon is the ruler of the sea , they carry out job which was sent by the sky ( god ) like making rain , flood and tsunami as punishment

[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]this could be true. i mean, god did put all animals on the earth to fulfill a purpose, whether to be food, help humans, or comfort us (dogs, cats etc...) so why couldn't they're be another type of animal in charge of this kind of thing. idk maybe we'll find out one day though[/COLOR]

Ever heard of dinosaurs?

I believe in dragons.
They might have gone extinct before humans existed.
Then again, The dragons may have [evolved] and became smaller and now is a cousin of the lizards that lives nowadays.
Well, that's my belief.

Woah, big reptiles, maybe crocodiles are evolved dragons too!

that could be too. i mean if you look at a comodo dragon, they're pretty big, and its possible that they were alot bigger at one time. and it is a dragon after all

Edit: okay my colour code failed, but the idea still stands

[noblemin]

Im pretty sure we would all like to believe dragons existed. But we have no real hard proof yet. As for me I believe that there is a high chance that there could have been some creature representing a "dragon".

[CL0V3R]

There isn't any proof, that dragons made real was just some lame special on discovery a few years back. Also the dragon in the glass jar thing they have at the end has been proven to be a hoax. In any case it's interesting that each culture has a mention of dragons in some way, then again almost all of them also mention aliens. :/ Point being if there was anything close to a dragon, I doubt it would breath fire and be anything like the stereotypical hype. Also I don't really think the bible is proof of dragons, at least not real ones.

[iAKA]

I think they did exist. Why not? To breathe fire all u need are lungs tough enuf to sustain helium.

[Drakonid]

There isn't any proof, that dragons made real was just some lame special on discovery a few years back. Also the dragon in the glass jar thing they have at the end has been proven to be a hoax. In any case it's interesting that each culture has a mention of dragons in some way, then again almost all of them also mention aliens. :/ Point being if there was anything close to a dragon, I doubt it would breath fire and be anything like the stereotypical hype. Also I don't really think the bible is proof of dragons, at least not real ones.

Adding to the dragon/alien list, we also have centaurs, phoenixes.
Now, quoting Hobbes in Leviathan(First Part, The Man; Chapter 1, Of Sense):

Much memory, or memory of many things, is called experience. Again, imagination being only of those things which have been formerly perceived by sense, either all at once, or by parts at several times; the former (which is the imagining the whole object, as it was presented to the sense) is simple imagination, as when one imagineth a man, or horse, which he hath seen before. The other is compounded, when from the sight of a man at one time, and of a horse at another, we conceive in our mind a centaur. So when a man compoundeth the image of his own person with the image of the actions of another man, as when a man imagines himself a Hercules or an Alexander (which happeneth often to them that are much taken with reading of romances), it is a compound imagination, and properly but a fiction of the mind. There be also other imaginations that rise in men, though waking, from the great impression made in sense: as from gazing upon the sun, the impression leaves an image of the sun before our eyes a long time after; and from being long and vehemently attent upon geometrical figures, a man shall in the dark, though awake, have the images of lines and angles before his eyes; which kind of fancy hath no particular name, as being a thing that doth not commonly fall into men's discourse.

The only thing you have to take from there is the concept of compounded imagination.

I think they did exist. Why not? To breathe fire all u need are lungs tough enuf to sustain helium.

Nah, I'm pretty sure they carried a bottle of ethanol and a lighter.

[Souleater]

So far after reading some of the more recent posts, nothing has really been presented that even remotely has any merit. Yes snakes did at one point in their earlier evolutionary sequence had feet, but they were never present in China or Japan. Japan because its an island, and all history from the first recording it was an island. China's landscape and temperature isnt close enough in hot climate to support anacondas living conditions.

For every piece of fact that there is, there is hundreds of things that show it is pure false-hood. Also, helium is not an element that can be sustained for a very long time, and even then, there is not enough helium in the air to constitute flamibility to a degree that would be theorized for a dragon to breathe fire.

Basically, bones/genetic material/hardproof/underpants/???/profit, or it didnt happen.

[C0FFINCASE]

Dragons are used symbolically in the Bible for a great many things.
You can't just look at Asian culture considering dragons in some form show up in all cultures around the world.
While we've looked at how a dragon could evolve in our world and be a real living organism. There have been none and I doubt there will be.

The History Channel's "The Quest for Dragons" was filled with half-truths and significant omissions

[Drakonid]

Please explain how are we missing the point?

Also, there are so many different forms of dragons that any mutation in any kind of reptile would cause angsty masses to claim it's a dragon.

[Drakonid]

i didnt say you were missing the point, i said i left out key points that i wanted to say. and as far as all the evolution stuff, no. i never said anything about that. there is no evolution. at least not in the since of one creature evolving into a completely different one. i believe if an animal needs to adapt to a new area it will undergo certain changes, but i don't believe in full out monkey to human, pterodactyle to bird evolution.

@coffincase= the bible does use dragons alot of times to represent certain things like evil/satan etc.. however there are many parts that refer to an actual creature alive and living among people. daniel killed a dragon that the king and his people worshipped. jonah was swallowed by a "great leviathan" in job, god describes to job a creature he calls a "behemoth" with a tail like a cedar tree and steps that shook the earth. this may not be a dragon, but its definately something that isn't around anymore.

think about this, early biblical figures (especially those of the pre-flood era) lived to be over 900 years of age. they were recorded to be over 12 feet tall. who's to say that the dragons that we still see today weren't even older and bigger than the humans. there is nothing that says that the dragons were much bigger than the humans, but in genesis it refers to noah walking beside the great reptiles. all animals and humans were said to have gotten along and all creatures were herbivores before the flood. now i know im not the best at giving evidence, and even if i had perfect evidence (is there such thing?) that there would still be those who dis believe. but there is just too much documentation and evidence to just cast aside the entire idea of dragons all together.

I simply will ignore the evolution matter, I believe you should look into that topic, but this is not the time and place. But I will say this, that's not how evolution works.

Now, Leviathan is a sea monster, not a dragon.
Behemoth is the term used for a giant beast.

Also, I'd like you to actually read my post, especially the quote from Hobbes.
Finally, you're not giving evidence at all, after all you're just talking about the bible.

[Drakonid]

What I'm saying about behemoth and leviathan is that they are just human exaggerations, in fact, behemoth was sometimes portrayed as an elephant, while leviathan in hebrew means whale.
Also, bible stuff aren't proven shit. There is evidence of events matching the non miraculous parts of the bible occurring.
Next, I never called the bible stupid, I just pointed out it's not solid evidence. About Hobbes, you are probably right, what could a crazy man know, even if he is one of the most remarkable modern philosophers.
Oh, and I also want to apologize, I can clearly see how you're open minded, after all evolution is bullcrap. Pfft Lamarck&Darwin? Oh, you mean the giraffe guy and monkey dude, yeah, totally nuts.

[Drakonid]

Look, I was raised catholic, I also spent time trying to understand that shit.
Also, cool internet search pal, you can use google. In fact, it's all a conspiracy against the church, since they consider it has too much power. I shouldn't be revealing this, and if they find out, I might be in big trouble.
Also, it's funny how I searched "eyebrow ridge never stops growing" and only found anti-evolution sites. Oh, just letting you know, it never stops growing DURING LIFE.

[Drakonid]

Oh, so you knew about it. The Vatican should give you the "coolest dude award".
Back on topic?
Dude, you just said that bones grew forever, if you have any self respect, just leave.

[Drakonid]

Fine, report me, but first get things right:
The god damned bone does not grow forever, it keeps on growing while the being is alive. Which means the when the being die, the bone stops growing. What you said was:

the human eyebrow ridge never stops growing, thus, dead for multi thousand years, your gonna look kinda like a monkey.

Which in literate English would be: "The human eyebrow ridge never stops growing, thus, if you have been dead for several thousand years, it will grow indefinitely, making you look like a monkey". As I said before, that is wrong, it stops growing when you die.
Second, evolution is not a conspiracy, and what government are you talking about?

[Drakonid]

So you are saying that the remains of human beings keep on growing after death?
Also, I'm the one not being serious?
Really?