Health Care

[CL0V3R]

Honestly Coffincase I'd agree with you more if your argument wasn't based on moral vs fact. This is america, there has always been underhanded deals to make things pass, so don't act like this is anything new. The main part of your argument I can't agree with is your are giving a lot of misinformation with your scare tactics like your comment towards Raivu. Part of me wonders if you actually understand the bill or are just one of those people who's watched zeitgeist one too many times.

The break down from my personal understanding is the following:

*More people will be eligible for Medicaid.
*There will be less money put into medicaid initially but there will be more taxes on families/people who make over 200-250k$ Income bracket. Part of that taxes is going to fund medicaid.
*People who before couldn't get insurance now can't be rejected due to various health problems when that part come into effect.
*Companies with over 50 employees will be forced to give their workers insurance or face a 2k fine.
*You will be eventually forced to get insurance by 2014.

Here is a link of the break down of the bill if anyone is interested:
When health care bill's provisions would take effect | McClatchy


Honestly if you want to talk about health care letting you die, before the bill was passed was a good example. The sick couldn't afford their bills for medical so instead of being able to seek help they wouldn't.

Quote from Eddie Hall
Hall says allowing people with pre-existing conditions to have access to healthcare sounds nice, but may end up with extraordinary costs. He said, "The day they can buy coverage and go in the next day and have the procedure done is going to run the cost out of the ceiling."


So prior to this most people couldn't just waltz in and get an expensive but necessary procedure done. Honestly this world is about money for the most part no one gives a shit about you, right now they'd sooner let you die anyways.

I've been rejected for health insurance myself due to being in that "high risk" category". I was so afraid to spend any money that I refused to go to the hospital until my boyfriend dragged me kicking and screaming. I knew we didn't have the money for it so I didn't want to go since I had been their three days ago. It turned out my appendix was about to burst and they missed it the first time I was dragged in their. (I'm lucky now even though I'm about 20k in debt for the first time I was there and they didn't fix anything. I was lucky enough to get on Ahcccs now so I can see a specialist for the first time in years.)

Also about not seeing any part of the taxes for two years, think about it. It will take a certain amount of money to put things in motion. With out that money you can't. Think of it just like you would if you were saving up money for a car. You don't have the money so you have to save it, it takes you two years but you finally have that down payment on the car you wanted.

I have to agree some parts of the bill are haphazard and seem kind of out their, but in the long run I suppose it's better than nothing.
I don't personally agree with idea of forcing everyone to get health insurance or facing a fine.


I think more of what we should focus on is the idea that the whole medical field is a joke. Honestly I can't see us fucking it up more than it already is.

In any case I'm not so sure how much you actually understand the bill before jumping on the "government is socialist plz" band wagon.

[C0FFINCASE]

Honestly Coffincase I'd agree with you more if your argument wasn't based on moral vs fact. This is america, there has always been underhanded deals to make things pass, so don't act like this is anything new. The main part of your argument I can't agree with is your are giving a lot of misinformation with your scare tactics like your comment towards Raivu. Part of me wonders if you actually understand the bill or are just one of those people who's watched zeitgeist one too many times.

I understand the bill. I read it while I watched the vote. I understand it. An I've talked to lots of people about the effects of the way the bill will work and be paid for. My scare tactics are based in the fact I am afraid and angry.
An I'm so pissed that the conservatives are like "Well I support the spirit of the biil." I don't support any of it. If your poor and sick and can't afford treatment then hurry up and die.

[CL0V3R]

I understand the bill. I read it while I watched the vote. I understand it. An I've talked to lots of people about the effects of the way the bill will work and be paid for. My scare tactics are based in the fact I am afraid and angry.
An I'm so pissed that the conservatives are like "Well I support the spirit of the biil." I don't support any of it. If your poor and sick and can't afford treatment then hurry up and die.

So you're for people dying but against abortion?
That sounds a little backwards to me. ;x

Edit: Also you admit you're using scare tactics to make others see your point of view with out giving fact?
You're just as bad as the government. Lol

[C0FFINCASE]

So you're for people dying but against abortion?
That sounds a little backwards to me. ;x

Bay hasn't done any thing to deserve to die and should be given the chance, the lazy bastard who isn't working and want me to pay for him can just die as far as I'm concerned, f'in drain of society.

[CL0V3R]

Bay hasn't done any thing to deserve to die and should be given the chance, the lazy bastard who isn't working and want me to pay for him can just die as far as I'm concerned, f'in drain of society.

What about the people who have tried trk but can't because they are actually too sick?
They haven't done anything wrong.
Is it right to kill them too then?
If the baby is going to be born with a debilitating health problem and be a "drain on society", we should kill them as well then shouldn't we?

[C0FFINCASE]

What about the people who have tried trk but can't because they are actually too sick?
They haven't done anything wrong.
Is it right to kill them too then?
If the baby is going to be born with a debilitating health problem and be a "drain on society", we should kill them as well then shouldn't we?

Should have taken better care of themselves, they had their shot and failed too bad.
Baby still hasn't failed yet. needs a shot. If the parents want to take care of it let them. No one but family should take care of anyone, and only if they want to. Forcing me to pay for you isn't fair and I won't do it.