Bans

**Souleater** · 12 Dec. 2009 07:33pm

As far as users go, warnings should be more solid and severe. All an infraction is gonna do is discourage spam, its not gonna stop it. Now if the user is new and feels that the warning should be enough, the spam will stop.

Users that need to be banned should be banned. And users that are regretful and shape-up should be left alone. But users need to have something hanging over their head other than just getting a warning. Bans should be handed out when they are warranted.

12 Dec. 2009 07:34pm

Originally Posted by ~Souleater~

As far as users go, warnings should be more solid and severe. All an infraction is gonna do is discourage spam, its not gonna stop it. Now if the user is new and feels that the warning should be enough, the spam will stop.

Users that need to be banned should be banned. And users that are regretful and shape-up should be left alone. But users need to have something hanging over their head other than just getting a warning. Bans should be handed out when they are warranted.

No because then there gonna target me h20 shojo and taz which i hate ..

**RavenBlast** · 12 Dec. 2009 07:36pm

Originally Posted by Rape

No because then there gonna target me h20 shojo and taz which i hate ..

wouldnt that be because you did something wrong? (you havent really done anything to me but but i have been hearing how you beel flaming people alot and such)

**Souleater** · 12 Dec. 2009 07:41pm

Originally Posted by Rape

No because then there gonna target me h20 shojo and taz which i hate ..

then just dont do stupid stuff. Anyone can come back from being a target for banning. Just be genuine in your reform and it won't be a problem.

12 Dec. 2009 07:43pm

Originally Posted by ~Souleater~

then just dont do stupid stuff. Anyone can come back from being a target for banning. Just be genuine in your reform and it won't be a problem.

just because im from previous lg and everyone hates. me.

**Souleater** · 12 Dec. 2009 07:48pm

Originally Posted by Rape

just because im from previous lg and everyone hates. me.

quick thing, I'm from the previous LG and no one hates me. its just because somethings are different that people have major probems with you. other than that, it might be your past on the old LG, i personally dont care what happened.

spam isn't on a catastrophic level, but all the spam is starting to drive me up a wall. you dont need 30 posts in one sale thread talking about prices and other shit you want to sell. thats the sorta thing im talking about becuase stuff like that is gonna give people access to UG Silver when they don't deserve it.

**Drakonid** · 12 Dec. 2009 07:48pm

Originally Posted by Rape

just because im from previous lg and everyone hates. me.

I don't remember from the old LG, and you've been a jerk lately. Cut the crap and people won't hate you, and who knows, maybe someone will like you.
On topic, I do agree with you Soul, but lately, the only one with powers who has been online has been Torian, and sometimes Cyanoxide, and we can't really expect them to take care of this palce just by themselves.

12 Dec. 2009 07:57pm

@Rape: Oh, wow. Then don't do something wrong, FFS. Are you serious?

I think a valid alternative to bans - after warnings, but before bans - is a post count reset. Since most the spam here is a result of the post requirements for UG, a post count reset (or deduction) would greatly get the point across. For flaming and being an overall cunt (outside of the JY), a warning is fine. If it's continued, ban them. But for spam, it can go warning -> post reset -> ban.

**Souleater** · 12 Dec. 2009 08:01pm

Originally Posted by GAMEchief

@Rape: Oh, wow. Then don't do something wrong, FFS. Are you serious?

I think a valid alternative to bans - after warnings, but before bans - is a post count reset. Since most the spam here is a result of the post requirements for UG, a post count reset (or deduction) would greatly get the point across. For flaming and being an overall cunt (outside of the JY), a warning is fine. If it's continued, ban them. But for spam, it can go warning -> post reset -> ban.

that does sound a bit more effective, but another stipulation could be added to that, post count reset, UG exemption for 2 weeks, then a ban if offenses contune. thats a better idea.

**Torian** · 12 Dec. 2009 08:01pm

I've been sending verbal warnings to spammers through PMs, after that, reports of said user that received the verbal warning results in an infraction. 2 infractions from me leads to a 2 week ban with an explanation/small how to not spam guide in the ban reason, failure to comply after that leads to a perma ban.

12 Dec. 2009 08:30pm

Originally Posted by ~Souleater~

that does sound a bit more effective, but another stipulation could be added to that, post count reset, UG exemption for 2 weeks, then a ban if offenses contune. thats a better idea.

As far as my knowledge of vB features goes, there is no way to exempt someone from UG without getting complicated. Maybe adding them to a separate usergroup, but I'm not sure. I dig post count deductions though. It's a huge slap in the face to spammers, and I think it would get the point across much better than a ban. With a post count deduction, not only do they lose their gain from spam, but they lose any gain they legitimately earned, and thus a lot to lose and not worth the risk. And, assuming they're not purely spammers, you don't lose a member who is capable of making legit posts. Someone who shows up and doesn't even bother with safe spam can be banned. Someone who can make intelligent posts should just be post-count-infracted.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 04:47am

Originally Posted by Rape

No because then there gonna target me h20 shojo and taz which i hate ..

Flaming again you stupid son of a bitch. Jesus fucking Christ, if this was the old LG you would have been banned 5 times by now. You dumb shit. Stop fucking flamming.

@Topic at hand, yes, as I JUST pointed out because of this fucking moron who doesn't know how to treat users with respect, which IS in the rules as well, he STILL isn't fucking banned. After I sent a PM to Torian and STILL ignored. What the hell does it take to get him banned?

**FoRspArTA** · 13 Dec. 2009 06:13pm

I think GAMEchief's idea is really good. A post deduction would really get the point across. If it happens multiple times, then just ban them.

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 06:49pm

Originally Posted by BooBearSH

Flaming again you stupid son of a bitch. Jesus fucking Christ, if this was the old LG you would have been banned 5 times by now. You dumb shit. Stop fucking flamming.

@Topic at hand, yes, as I JUST pointed out because of this fucking moron who doesn't know how to treat users with respect, which IS in the rules as well, he STILL isn't fucking banned. After I sent a PM to Torian and STILL ignored. What the hell does it take to get him banned?

Why must you flame in order to get your point across? This isn't the Junkyard.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 06:52pm

Whatever man. This is not JY, and flaming isn't accepted there either, now is it? Or do you even care about there? No.

Just because you aren't doing your job and banned him a long time ago for flaming and I had to step in and get a point across, doesn't mean you need to say I'm flaming.

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 06:56pm

I'm not doing my "job"? Dude, I've banned over 20 people this week, infracted over 50, unapproved/deleted/moved a shitton of posts and threads. I told you already, I don't do shit without checking it out myself, bitch and moan all you want, it won't make things go faster. Keep it up and you'll find yourself banned. You can't see what we do in the background, so stop pretending to.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 06:58pm

Originally Posted by Torian

I'm not doing my "job"? Dude, I've banned over 20 people this week, infracted over 50, unapproved/deleted/moved a shitton of posts and threads. I told you already, I don't do shit without checking it out myself, bitch and moan all you want, it won't make things go faster. Keep it up and you'll find yourself banned. You can't see what we do in the background, so stop pretending to.

I'm not pretending shit. I'm saying that your response time and other mods is so damn slow if we had a half decent scammer he could scam every damn member on LG before you guys do shit.

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:00pm

Originally Posted by BooBearSH

I'm not pretending shit. I'm saying that your response time and other mods is so damn slow if we had a half decent scammer he could scam every damn member on LG before you guys do shit.

Actually no, all scammers get banned the instant we see them. Spammers just arent as high a priority as scammers are.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:01pm

Originally Posted by Torian

Actually no, all scammers get banned the instant we see them. Spammers just arent as high a priority as scammers are.

"The instant we see them."

Would that be before or after he scams #2?

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:02pm

Originally Posted by BooBearSH

"The instant we see them."

Would that be before or after he scams #2?

It would be when we actually get some proof. It'd be great if I could just close my eyes and my mind instantly locks on a scammer's LG name eh?

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:03pm

Originally Posted by Torian

It would be when we actually get some proof. It'd be great if I could just close my eyes and my mind instantly locks on a scammer's LG name eh?

"Jailed" status works great.

Maybe any suggested scammers get jailed until investigation?

Guilty until proven innocent.

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:05pm

That'd be great, if we actually had a method of shoving someone into "jailed" status. Smods cant change anything about a member, such as their usergroups and where their LGG goes, the most I can do is ban.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:06pm

Originally Posted by Torian

That'd be great, if we actually had a method of shoving someone into "jailed" status. Smods cant change anything about a member, such as their usergroups and where their LGG goes, the most I can do is ban.

I'm going through a 300$ USD trade after a person just filed a scamming report on this same guy that I don't even know about. Would you rather ban them until proven innocent, or let them steal my money?

**Souleater** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:07pm

obviously scammers are of a higher priority than spammers, but each must be dealt with faster than they currently are, because scammers are bad and as are leakers that are slowly inching their way to UG Silver and better programs that would be null if they got leaked to other sites.

both need to be dealt with accordingly, and with faster reaction since scammers arent really around that much but spammers are overly active now.

**Google** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:10pm

Boobearsh have a good point and idea.

This will help us be aware of who we are trading with..
Until theres more middlemans..

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:11pm

Originally Posted by BooBearSH

I'm going through a 300$ USD trade after a person just filed a scamming report on this same guy that I don't even know about. Would you rather ban them until proven innocent, or let them steal my money?

Actually for scamming reports sent to me personally that offer actual proof, they're dealt with instantly with an email for the scammer to send his version of the story if there is one.

The people that start threads like "Shojo scammed me" with a bunch of "fuck youssssss" in the body instead of proof is what I'm talking about.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:11pm

Middlemen are full of shit... Say Torian, in all his trusted mastermind shit, decides one day that hey, that 300$ USD is worth more than my leadership and membership at LG, and takes your USD due to he's a trusted middleman... WAHOOO, he made 300$, all because he is trusted and that day he was feeling like an asshole. Guess what, he can then start scamming others till right when he's banned.

WAHOOOOOOOO SCAMS!!!!

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:13pm

Originally Posted by Torian

Actually for scamming reports sent to me personally that offer actual proof, they're dealt with instantly with an email for the scammer to send his version of the story if there is one.

The people that start threads like "Shojo scammed me" with a bunch of "fuck youssssss" in the body instead of proof is what I'm talking about.

I know the whole drama with Shojo is retarded as hell... My personal opinion of him is just make him go first...

Tada the end...

And if the scammer isn't online at that moment? How long will you wait for their story before taking action?

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:14pm

Although I agree that middlemen are a really iffy concept, we have nothing else t

rk with, unless someone creates an automated Middleman script, till then, human emotions could very well overtake the "trusted" Middleman.

@Boob, I ban them ban them and then give them an address that they can give their story too. But I need some sort of proof from the person accusing the other person before I could take action right?

13 Dec. 2009 07:14pm

Which is the point of choosing someone to be a middleman that you can trust. Don't make $300 transactions over an Internet game. And if you are that rich, then just buy Gaia cash with it. I can't fathom a real life example of transactions that large that couldn't be more appropriately made legitimately.

@Middleman script,
I can do that if it just involves accounts.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:17pm

Originally Posted by Torian

Although I agree that middlemen are a really iffy concept, we have nothing else t

rk with, unless someone creates an automated Middleman script, till then, human emotions could very well overtake the "trusted" Middleman.

@Boob, I ban them ban them and then give them an address that they can give their story too. But I need some sort of proof from the person accusing the other person before I could take action right?

Of course they need proof, I'm talking if there is a real scam going on...

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:19pm

Well if it was real, then they'd have some sort of proof to give me wouldn't they?

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:21pm

Originally Posted by Torian

Well if it was real, then they'd have some sort of proof to give me wouldn't they?

I'm saying... You are the only active person who can ban, yet when you're offline, no one else is able to ban

. One person can't ban everyone.

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 07:22pm

Indeed, which is why when Alex comes back, he'll see a thread in staff discussion where we discuss possible candidates. You can stop hint hinting there bro.

**FoRspArTA** · 13 Dec. 2009 08:06pm

Ok guys, this arguing isn't getting us anywhere. This is pretty much spamming (obviously not for Torian since he is an SMod anyways, but half of you guys are probably just fighting to rack up some quick posts). The ban response time could be a little faster than it currently is, but that will come with more mods being accepted.

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 08:14pm

Actually FoRSparta, it's a discussion on how to further improve LG and increase the security of the site, thus making it not spam.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 08:16pm

Originally Posted by Torian

Actually FoRSparta, it's a discussion on how to further improve LG and increase the security of the site, thus making it not spam.

I was gonna say that too xD. I just didn't feel like talking to him...

Anyways, this whole "new LG" version all the mods(mostly you) are talking about... when is it taking it's effect? I mean, when is Arti going to be active enough to start LG's change back up...

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 08:20pm

o_o I don't talk about the upcoming patches/upgrades/wutevers, I just mentioned that we know that LG needs more mods and are discussing it. Besides, didn't Alex just get back from his vacation like yesterday? I would imagine things will start picking up soon.

**BooBearSH** · 13 Dec. 2009 08:22pm

Originally Posted by Torian

o_o I don't talk about the upcoming patches/upgrades/wutevers, I just mentioned that we know that LG needs more mods and are discussing it. Besides, didn't Alex just get back from his vacation like yesterday? I would imagine things will start picking up soon.

Lol. I got on like 3 hours after he got "back" and he was already not there...(not saying anything about his personal life blah blah blah)

Just saying that LG needs organization...

(P.s. GameChief for Mod or Programming Team)

**Torian** · 13 Dec. 2009 08:24pm

Well I'd imagine that getting "back" refers to back home, he isn't the type of personality that'd put hopping straight on the computer before unpacking and resting so just give him time. Things still arent so bad at the moment.

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