Beginner Trying to Program

**Shadow** · 09 Dec. 2009 05:40pm

Well I am completely new to this. So forgive me if I am completely making no sense at all.
What programs do you guys use to, well make programs.
Which is recommended?
What's the difference between Visual Cnet # or Visual Basic 6 or 8 or C++?
I want to start up with a decent program, then look at some beginner tutorials.
I plan on getting pretty far, up to the point where I can make something helpful.

09 Dec. 2009 06:20pm

I use web-based programs. That is, programs you use in your browser. The programs you download and use are probably quicker to learn (less prerequisites), and it's generally Visual Basic. The difference is the way you program them. Whichever you prefer. You may find some easy, some hard.
I'm sure there are advantages/disadvantages to each, but I don't use them enough to know those. I do know that the most commonly used one is Visual Basic.

**Shadow** · 09 Dec. 2009 06:32pm

Alright well I think I am going to get Visual Basic then, since I plan on making programs you download. But can visual basic also make web based programs?
And do I have to learn html for the web based programs?

09 Dec. 2009 06:44pm

Visual Basic cannot make web based programs, and yes, you need to know a lot more than HTML to make web based programs.
Web based: HTML -> CSS -> JavaScript
You can probably stop at JavaScript for many things, but for the best (practically anything you'd use to hack Gaia and whatnot), you'd have to continue to learn PHP after that.
I'd say the difficulty in learning JavaScript is as hard as learning Visual Basic or C++, hence why I say VB would be easier to learn - it cuts out the excess HTML/CSS knowledge.

EDIT:
Web-Based Programming produces: FLPs, FLWs, etc.
Client-Side Programming (I always forget the proper name for it) produces: brute forcers, crackers, FLPs (in the sense that it says "login to hack Gaia," and then the login is sent to the program maker), etc.

**Shadow** · 09 Dec. 2009 07:29pm

Thanks, I'm also looking over and reading this website.
Beginner's Guide to Programming - guidetoprogramming.com

Seems pretty helpful. For now I think I will try Visual Basic 6 to make executable programs.

**Nat** · 09 Dec. 2009 08:27pm

VB6 is a good place to start. Or VB8(VB.NET)

Also JavaScript isn't actually programming...

Web programming isn't HTML or CSS, that's also scripting. Web programming is AJAX, PHP or Ruby.

**iFresh** · 10 Dec. 2009 03:55am

Begging programs you should start out with are like.

A simple program that shut down, restart, and logg out

A ip Checker.

A clock.

A auto clicker.

A gaia login.

A game.

A timer.

Stuffz like that.

**Nat** · 10 Dec. 2009 04:00am

Although the majority of those are pointless, yes stuff like that.

A basic Gaia Login, something working with listboxes, something with loops, that stuff will help you the most.

**iFresh** · 10 Dec. 2009 04:05am

Originally Posted by Nat

Although the majority of those are pointless, yes stuff like that.

A basic Gaia Login, something working with listboxes, something with loops, that stuff will help you the most.

Even a basic login might be too hard unless shadow has somebody thta will tutor him.

**Nat** · 10 Dec. 2009 04:08am

Or a tutorial...

**Chad** · 10 Dec. 2009 04:45am

Originally Posted by GAMEchief

Visual Basic cannot make web based programs, and yes, you need to know a lot more than HTML to make web based programs.
Web based: HTML -> CSS -> JavaScript
You can probably stop at JavaScript for many things, but for the best (practically anything you'd use to hack Gaia and whatnot), you'd have to continue to learn PHP after that.
I'd say the difficulty in learning JavaScript is as hard as learning Visual Basic or C++, hence why I say VB would be easier to learn - it cuts out the excess HTML/CSS knowledge.

EDIT:
Web-Based Programming produces: FLPs, FLWs, etc.
Client-Side Programming (I always forget the proper name for it) produces: brute forcers, crackers, FLPs (in the sense that it says "login to hack Gaia," and then the login is sent to the program maker), etc.

You can make web based programs with visual basic.

A good language to start off that I started off with is C#. Once you learn C# you basically know C++, Java, and any other language.

**Nat** · 10 Dec. 2009 04:46am

Also note that C# is not where you want to start if you want easy. Visual Basic is easy.

10 Dec. 2009 04:49am

JavaScript is quite literally a programming language. HTML and CSS aren't, but the former is necessary in order to move on to JavaScript and PHP. Not technically for PHP, but for all intensive purposes, it's required for any sensical user interaction.

Originally Posted by Chad

You can make web based programs with visual basic.

I don't mean it can't connect to the Internet, but I mean it's not browser-based. Web-based, as in, all you need is a browser and Internet connection to run it.

**Shadow** · 10 Dec. 2009 04:51am

No one to tutor me, though I've tried following some tutorials.
Haven't really been successful so far. >_<

**Chad** · 10 Dec. 2009 04:53am

Originally Posted by GAMEchief

JavaScript is quite literally a programming language. HTML and CSS aren't, but the former is necessary in order to move on to JavaScript and PHP. Not technically for PHP, but for all intensive purposes, it's required for any sensical user interaction.

I don't mean it can't connect to the Internet, but I mean it's not browser-based. Web-based, as in, all you need is a browser and Internet connection to run it.

Pretty sure you can. It has the option to create a DHTML project and some other online stuff. Never tried.

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@ other person

Use youtube, Google, source codes and tutorials. Everyone has to start some place.

**Nat** · 10 Dec. 2009 04:59am

Originally Posted by Shadow

No one to tutor me, though I've tried following some tutorials.
Haven't really been successful so far. >_<

If you want some help with tutorials or other stuff MSN me: eye.program@live.com

**Shadow** · 10 Dec. 2009 05:18am

How did you guys start out?
Did you guys take classes, read books, or simply teach yourself with tutorials and online content?

**Nat** · 10 Dec. 2009 05:23am

Tutorials for me when I was starting with VB.

Its now gotten to the point where it's just reading the language documentation and provided examples for me.

10 Dec. 2009 05:30am

Self-taught. I took a class on VB, but the teacher was an idiot, so I taught myself everything through the book and mostly Google. I've never been a fan of books - online tutorials are just free versions of books, and there are more of them, so you can find a new one if the first doesn't meet your needs. But outside of client-side programs, I self taught myself everything I know about web programming.

**Shadow** · 10 Dec. 2009 05:45am

I plan on doing the same GAMEchief.
Right now I am playing around with VB using this tutorial.
Write Your First Visual Basic Program

**Deadpool_CORNSAVIOR** · 10 Dec. 2009 05:46am

sadly for me i got a teacher who still wishes he was baketball player and he my java teacher 0_0
a letdown indeed to me :_(

10 Dec. 2009 05:51am

Don't let that stop you. Find somewhere else to learn it from during that class period. Google is nice. I usually used it to find more advanced algorithms than were currently being taught. That's good extra credit, too. "How to [whatever] in Java"

**iFresh** · 10 Dec. 2009 09:35pm

Originally Posted by Shadow

How did you guys start out?
Did you guys take classes, read books, or simply teach yourself with tutorials and online content?

I started out with google and youtube. And i have a big ass book if you want to buy it ><. I will sell it to you it has all the basics and advanced it helps you step-by-step if you want a book to read. And if you want help you can add me on msn just pm for my msn.

**Chad** · 10 Dec. 2009 10:15pm

Originally Posted by iFresh

I started out with google and youtube. And i have a big ass book if you want to buy it ><. I will sell it to you it has all the basics and advanced it helps you step-by-step if you want a book to read. And if you want help you can add me on msn just pm for my msn.

Google and Youtube are your best friends. Same with MSN. Try starting off with google. say you wanted to start out with Vb.net (vb 2008 and up) you would google, vb 2008 Messagebox, find what you need. Save some files on some source codes until you remember by heart.

**iFresh** · 10 Dec. 2009 10:20pm

Originally Posted by Chad

Google and Youtube are your best friends. Same with MSN. Try starting off with google. say you wanted to start out with Vb.net (vb 2008 and up) you would google, vb 2008 Messagebox, find what you need. Save some files on some source codes until you remember by heart.

Yes. And also save your source codes as text documents, if you have bad memory like me. Haha. I forgot how to do a lot of programming I used to do.

**Organic** · 11 Dec. 2009 12:06am

Originally Posted by iFresh

Yes. And also save your source codes as text documents, if you have bad memory like me. Haha. I forgot how to do a lot of programming I used to do.

Why wouldn't you save past works...?

**Nat** · 11 Dec. 2009 01:06am

Originally Posted by Essence

Why wouldn't you save past works...?

Obviously you would. :p

11 Dec. 2009 01:23am

i wanna learn to program to!

**Nat** · 11 Dec. 2009 02:39am

Start with VB6?

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