Selective Service is so pushy

[Kain]

You don't even mail anything back anymore, they mail you a card that acknowledges that they automatically registered you.

[SilkyNick]

Wow, I remember when I went to do it the girl acted really rude to me so I left and did it by mail and never got any kind of confirmation.....

[C0FFINCASE]

They don't even need the card or anything. If you are male and at the appropriate age they have you on a list.

[Kain]

They don't even need the card or anything. If you are male and at the appropriate age they have you on a list.

You need to keep the card on you for some reason, but that's about it.

[GAMEchief]

Weird. When I turned 18, you had to fill out a form. I thought it was dumb that it wasn't automated, considering they have my birth certificate and shit to know how old I am.

[C0FFINCASE]

You need to keep the card on you for some reason, but that's about it.

Meh, not really. You're supposed to have it when you report I think though.

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I hate that so much. Another reason I hate living in this country

[GAMEchief]

I hate that so much. Another reason I hate living in this country

Yeah, but it's not like we use the draft anymore anyway.

[C0FFINCASE]

I hate that so much. Another reason I hate living in this country

Cause Russia would be so much better.

*you do realize that in the rest of the world there is no selective service because they have mandatory military service for almost everyone.

[Souleater]

Whelp. I got my service out of the way. But I got the same thing too when I was 18. I just tossed it in the burn pit since I was already signed up.

[Defy]

Funny, because they sign you up when you apply for FAFSA.

[SilkyNick]

Yeah, but it's not like we use the draft anymore anyway.

Not yet, but with all the cuts in pay and no tuition and cutting down on medical they're going to end up having to reinstate the draft since so one will willingly sign up for nothing (seeing as most people I know or have talked to in service goes for the benifits)

[C0FFINCASE]

Not yet, but with all the cuts in pay and no tuition and cutting down on medical they're going to end up having to reinstate the draft since so one will willingly sign up for nothing (seeing as most people I know or have talked to in service goes for the benifits)

No, just no.I'm not even going to explain why that's wrong.


@Defy:FAFSA. I hate that piece of shit. I had to fill that out every god damned years to receive a merit based scholarship. Seriously why does my income matter for a merit based award?

[GAMEchief]

Cause Russia would be so much better.

*you do realize that in the rest of the world there is no selective service because they have mandatory military service for almost everyone.

Selective Service is mandatory military service. We just don't draft anymore to enforce it.

Not yet, but with all the cuts in pay and no tuition and cutting down on medical they're going to end up having to reinstate the draft since so one will willingly sign up for nothing (seeing as most people I know or have talked to in service goes for the benifits)

Huh? You mean they cut military benefits?
I imagine with our population, we'll still have enough troops. It's not like we're in a 'real' war right now.

At the same time, I doubt we'll see a draft ever again. There is a big political philosophy as to why the draft is actually a good thing -- for the people and not for the government. Theoretically, if we used the draft in the Iraq War, we would have never had an Iraq War. And how much better would we be off then? So much better.

[SilkyNick]

They haven't made cuts yet, but it's in the works to cut tuition completely and they're planning to drop pay soon, but you are right that we probably have enough people enlisted to at least cover our asses for a few years

As far as the war in Iraq I'm not sure how the draft would have prevented the war (I just can't see the reasoning behind that statement not that it couldn't as I don't know much on that subject)

[GAMEchief]

The deal with the draft is that if we don't have one, we don't care what war we're in. My life isn't in danger, so why should I give a shit if someone volunteers to fight in some country we don't need to be in? It's their life to do with what they choose, and they chose to go to war. Big deal. The only downside is the cost of the war, and no brain can realistically handle the amount of money America spends. $1b and $1m in your head are essentially the same -- "really big." You can know one is bigger, but if I was listing a bunch of numbers in the billions and millions range and asked you to read them back to me, you wouldn't remember which were billions and which were millions. Just too big for our evolved brains which never ever needed to deal with millions, let alone billions. So, big whoop. We're spending another drop in the bucket of the large number of zeroes we're already spending so that some guy can volunteer to fight a war that some people want to fight.

With a draft, people who don't support the war (most people) would be going. Their relatives who didn't get drafted will be at home, not supporting the war, worrying about their loved ones' life. As is, people are dying by choice in a war they support. Their family knows beforehand that that is what they want to do. This is in stark contrast to people dying not by choice in a war they don't support. The public outrage following an unsupported war that people are forced to participate in is a lot stronger. People won't "put up" with it or justify it by acknowledging that if someone is willing to do it, let them. Because in a draft, we're including people who aren't willing. It becomes an entirely different issue.

And with how many people don't support the War in Iraq (the majority of Americans as of 2004, over eight years ago) you can bet your ass that if the majority of people in Iraq didn't want to be there and the majority of citizens in America didn't want their loved ones over there, that the protests would be taken to an entirely new level. We already extensive protests against the Iraq War, and we don't even use a draft for it. If we did, those protests would be unfathomable. Simply no way in hell the American public would allow that war to happen, and the only difference being the use of a draft.

tl;dr - Drafts are theoretically good because they prevent useless wars.

[SilkyNick]

Ah I understand now, I guess I didn't really think back to when the draft was used if I had it would have been an obvious answer to myself, but thanks for being very informing /themoreyouknow

[ya bish]

Seems kind of dumb.

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Cause Russia would be so much better.

*you do realize that in the rest of the world there is no selective service because they have mandatory military service for almost everyone.

I know many countries still do. I have a friend who has to go back to Greece for training. But it's becoming an increasingly uncommon concept throughout the world.