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[C0FFINCASE]

That feel when i hate women but want someone to talk to anyway.
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Fuuuck. Bitchezzzz.

Casual sex! Who doesn't like fucking without strings?

Exactly

Bullshit. I'd refuse to date a guy who was purely a jack ass. If guy doesn't want to try, or wants to treat me like shit they should not expect me to treat them any better. I can't stand guys who put girls down or other people down. They make me angry. There are girls out there that are looking for a stable relationship. Just a lot of them don't make that effort or understand until they mature. I feel like you guys must be going after some really stupid women. Edit: Or women just looking for fun.

No, you don't get it. The idea isn't to bash women or be an ass. The idea is to exude confidence, be unpredictible, and avoid standard behavior to create intrest.
Vie draws dude in, dude responds by being a sappy idiot and acts predictable, Vie mess with him and gets bored and moves on.
Better scenario: Girl is nice to Coffin, Coffin makes plans with her and stands her up but gives and excuse next time that ammounts to "I found something better to do". Next week Coffin comments on another women being attractive when they have lunch. Following week Coffin straight up ignores her. Next week Coffin agrees to hang out when she calls and is amicable but remains aloof(plays guitar for an hour while sitting in the same room and uses one word responses). Girl is now interested because she can't figure out what the fuck is wrong with me or predict my behavior. Once there is a spark how I or whoever acts doesn't matter. The One that's fallen rationalizes, blinded by emotion.

Vie, if the roses and such aren't from dude you wat them to be, and he just acts interested will you not just do what you normally do? The only reason you wouldn't is the grand gesture is abnormal enough that your subconscious assumes he's unpredictable enough to be interesting.

Simply put women expect guys to pursue them and do it in standard fashions, if guy doesn't then they are interested. That's a broad generalization and isn't something that applies to every situation but its a model of behavior. Read it how you want to.

[La Vie Cruelle]

Vie, if the roses and such aren't from dude you wat them to be, and he just acts interested will you not just do what you normally do? The only reason you wouldn't is the grand gesture is abnormal enough that your subconscious assumes he's unpredictable enough to be interesting.

If they aren't from the guy I suspect, then yes my normal behavior will go on.

If it is from who I suspect, the guy is odd enough to possibly hold my attention and turn the tables on my little game. The fact that he isnt letting me know his feelings right off the back to see how i react is alluring.

Hook up or relationship, this guy is hawt <.<

[CL0V3R]

Exactly

No, you don't get it. The idea isn't to bash women or be an ass. The idea is to exude confidence, be unpredictible, and avoid standard behavior to create intrest.
Vie draws dude in, dude responds by being a sappy idiot and acts predictable, Vie mess with him and gets bored and moves on.
Better scenario: Girl is nice to Coffin, Coffin makes plans with her and stands her up but gives and excuse next time that ammounts to "I found something better to do". Next week Coffin comments on another women being attractive when they have lunch. Following week Coffin straight up ignores her. Next week Coffin agrees to hang out when she calls and is amicable but remains aloof(plays guitar for an hour while sitting in the same room and uses one word responses). Girl is now interested because she can't figure out what the fuck is wrong with me or predict my behavior.

Vie, if the roses and such aren't from dude you wat them to be, and he just acts interested will you not just do what you normally do? The only reason you wouldn't is the grand gesture is abnormal enough that your subconscious assumes he's unpredictable enough to be interesting.

In all honesty I'd take that as a hint that the other person wasn't genuinely interested or wants to play stupid games with me. I'm not looking for a guy to be unpredictable, or go out of their way to make it seem like they'd rather not hang out with me. I mean sure if they have something else to do that's okay, but wouldn't you just be playing a sort of game as well? Maybe I'm weird but in a relationship I'm looking for my best friend, not some weird dating ritual. If someone just ignores me I'm going to think they are either mad or don't like me. If I haven't done anything and I can't figure it out I'd try talking with them first. Make my feelings known you know? If that were to fail and the other person tried to lead me on a "chase". I'd consider it not worth my time because it isn't what I'm looking for. I want someone who can be honest with me because I'm an overly honest person. I'm blunt and will tell you how I feel. I extend that to the other person as well. Damn it, I just want a best friend that I'm in love with. Because when the newness wears off and the dating state is over, that's really what you're left with. If you can't be a friend with that person your relationship will fail in the long run.

[C0FFINCASE]

In all honesty I'd take that as a hint that the other person wasn't genuinely interested or wants to play stupid games with me. I'm not looking for a guy to be unpredictable, or go out of their way to make it seem like they'd rather not hang out with me. I mean sure if they have something else to do that's okay, but wouldn't you just be playing a sort of game as well? Maybe I'm weird but in a relationship I'm looking for my best friend, not some weird dating ritual. If someone just ignores me I'm going to think they are either mad or don't like me. If I haven't done anything and I can't figure it out I'd try talking with them first. Make my feelings known you know? If that were to fail and the other person tried to lead me on a "chase". I'd consider it not worth my time because it isn't what I'm looking for. I want someone who can be honest with me because I'm an overly honest person. I'm blunt and will tell you how I feel. I extend that to the other person as well. Damn it, I just want a best friend that I'm in love with. Because when the newness wears off and the dating state is over, that's really what you're left with. If you can't be a friend with that person your relationship will fail in the long run.

Clover, you're not weird. You just acknowledge and would use a rational mature method for relationship formation. No one else does that because they can't talk directly with anotr person about how they feel or become uncomfortable when others do. If it'd been more successful I'd still be doing the same thing. But since trying to do that when you run across people like Vie leads to repeated failure and pain you have to adapt and start doing something else. The hope is that eventually you get somewhere with that.

[CL0V3R]

Clover, you're not weird. You just acknowledge and would use a rational mature method for relationship formation. No one else does that because they can't talk directly with anotr person about how they feel or become uncomfortable when others do. If it'd been more successful I'd still be doing the same thing. But since trying to do that when you run across people like Vie leads to repeated failure and pain you have to adapt and start doing something else. The hope is that eventually you get somewhere with that.

My question is, why would you want a relationship based on that? Maybe a fling sure, but why a relationship? You're going to invest that much of yourself in something why not do it right? Would you really want to spend the rest of your life with someone you have to play games with for it to stay interesting? Or do you just do it so you don't end up hurt in the long run? If you're playing the games you're the one in control I guess. I think it's a good reason as to why you should be selective before getting emotionally involved with someone. That way you know the kind of person they are before hand. Edit: I really think people should be friends before dating. In/b/4 friendzone bs.

[C0FFINCASE]

My question is, why would you want a relationship based on that? Maybe a fling sure, but why a relationship? You're going to invest that much of yourself in something why not do it right? Would you really want to spend the rest of your life with someone you have to play games with for it to stay interesting? Or do you just do it so you don't end up hurt in the long run? If you're playing the games you're the one in control I guess. I think it's a good reason as to why you should be selective before getting emotionally involved with someone. That way you know the kind of person they are before hand. Edit: I really think people should be friends before dating. In/b/4 friendzone bs.

Relationship isn't based around it. the attraction and getting into the relationship is. You don't have deep philosophical discussion and then go on a date on fortunately.
Friend zone is not bs. Happens. Men and women can not be friend. You spend any sort of time together or bond and it gets romantic for someone. Also once friends, you don't get to date because of how women categorize you. No matter what you want or how you try they tell you "It'd be like dating my brother."

[CL0V3R]

Relationship isn't based around it. the attraction and getting into the relationship is. You don't have deep philosophical discussion and then go on a date on fortunately.
Friend zone is not bs. Happens. Men and women can not be friend. You spend any sort of time together or bond and it gets romantic for someone. Also once friends, you don't get to date because of how women categorize you. No matter what you want or how you try they tell you "It'd be like dating my brother."

That's not honestly true. To an extent it happens but to be honest the friends zone is usually a result of one of two things. One, they were never interested in you in the first place. Two they had feelings for you but got over them because they perceived it as unrealistic. Very rarely does it ever have anything to do with the whole friend thing. Also I don't get why you can't do that? Have a deep philosophical discussion then go on a date? Or have one while you're on a date, or have one as friends and then date. I also don't get how men and women can't be friends. Sure romantic feelings may happen but it doesn't mean they can't just be friends. I learned that personally when I said that line it was more so because I had such strong feelings for the person I was afraid to date them. It's really girls need to get over that fear of ruining something. I learned the hard way sometimes it's just too damn late to tell that person you love them.