Why I became an atheist

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He doesn't, but it does benefit for me or anyone to make the "leap of faith" that a god exists given absolutely no objective foundation for such a belief. The reason people make that "leap of faith" is the presumption that some god is good and that we owe that god that leap of faith in gratitude for our existence. If god is not good, we do not owe that god any such thing, and making the leap of faith of a god's existence in the first place is justified. If god isn't good, why bother believing in a god without first having evidence of a god? All supposed evidence of a "good god" is of one who, in practice through objective observation, is not good, thus is not evidence of a good god. So there is no evidence for a good god, there is justification for a leap of faith, so there is no reason to believe in the first place. >thread title


Evidence of God/gods:

Every religious text
Everything on earth

[GAMEchief]

Evidence of God/gods:

Every religious text
Everything on earth

How are those evidence of God/gods?

I think the fact that there are so many conflicting religious texts is evidence of how religious texts aren't evidence.

[323]

How are those evidence of God/gods?

I think the fact that there are so many conflicting religious texts is evidence of how religious texts aren't evidence.

My new book:

Hello all, I am the Zelda Legend of Link.

I declare: No one may use TI-84 Plus - Silver Edition calculators anymore.

Congratulations, there's now evidence that Zelda Legend of Link may or may not have existed. There's evidence, sure, but no one knows if it's fictitious or not, and no one has any proof of the people writing it. Like, right now, I could have had my friend come to the computer and write that, even though I'm posting it now.

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How are those evidence of God/gods?

I think the fact that there are so many conflicting religious texts is evidence of how religious texts aren't evidence.

When two conflict, it doesn't mean either or any more true or less true. Some texts even have conflicting accounts in their own right.

[Charles]

When two conflict, it doesn't mean either or any more true or less true. Some texts even have conflicting accounts in their own right.

It literally means that at least one of them is not true.

"God does not exist" and "God does exist" cannot both me true. In order for one to be true, the other has to be "less true" (or to put it more appropriately, false).

When one religion says there are 10 gods, and another religion says there is exactly 1 god, they cannot both be true by the verify definition of true.

Nor are religious texts even remotely evidence of the existence of a god to begin with any more than the Harry Potter books are evidence of Harry Potter's existence.

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It literally means that at least one of them is not true.

"God does not exist" and "God does exist" cannot both me true. In order for one to be true, the other has to be "less true" (or to put it more appropriately, false).

When one religion says there are 10 gods, and another religion says there is exactly 1 god, they cannot both be true by the verify definition of true.

Nor are religious texts even remotely evidence of the existence of a god to begin with any more than the Harry Potter books are evidence of Harry Potter's existence.

Do you get pleasure out of telling people their religion is false?

[GAMEchief]

Do you get pleasure out of telling people their religion is false?

I get pleasure out of educating people. It's not about whether or not they believe their religion is false. It's about their avoiding cognitive dissonance and ignorance when they decide to not only dedicate their lives to something, which they by all means have the right to do for any reason, but attempt to push it onto other people through social and legal repercussions.

Abortion is debated because your God says so. Homosexual marriage is illegal because your God says so. Our entire judicial and rehabilitation systems are designed around the dichotomous religious system that people must be categorized into good or bad groups with the only means of transition being religious repentance, and I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. When ignorant beliefs have real world consequences, they cease to be just beliefs, and I cease not caring.

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I get pleasure out of educating people. It's not about whether or not they believe their religion is false. It's about their avoiding cognitive dissonance and ignorance when they decide to not only dedicate their lives to something, which they by all means have the right to do for any reason, but attempt to push it onto other people through social and legal repercussions.

Abortion is debated because your God says so. Homosexual marriage is illegal because your God says so. Our entire judicial and rehabilitation systems are designed around the dichotomous religious system that people must be categorized into good or bad groups with the only means of transition being religious repentance, and I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. When ignorant beliefs have real world consequences, they cease to be just beliefs, and I cease not caring.

There are a few places where things aren't specifically laid out in that matter.

[Red]

Do you get pleasure out of telling people their religion is false?

Religion is fake. People themselves created the idea of religion as well as the idea of a god, or gods. They created "god" as someone to blame something on and reason with. They needed reasons for why certain things happen, the masses needed to be controlled. Therefore, god was created. You can easily prove god to be non-existant by science. This may sound ignorant but for any of you believing that some "big man up there in the sky" created everything we see and know, and that heaven awaits you at your death, that's simply preposterous. (Some people really do think this, my cousins in Texas are perfect examples.) Even be it you don't think it's a man. A woman, or a thing, whatever you thing it is. How can you possibly think that someone created everything we see and know?

Why I say religion is fake is because all and every single thing you believe can be proven false by scientific fact. What I would like to know is how and why anyone could possibly think a single person created all that you see and know. The world and the universe itself. How is that at all possible? How can you explain scientific theories like evolution(which are obviously true) to creationists? You don't. They simply don't use simple logic when they think of things like this. A lot of them will tell you evolution isn't real, it's false. And any answer they give you explaining how it doesn't exist, simply won't use logic at all. Perhaps they will cite their religious text. The bible says the earth is 6000 years old. As stupid as this sounds, a lot of people actually believe it. You can really use simple logic (not science at all) to prove god does not exist. You can also use simple logic to prove practically everything any religion says is true to be false.

Think about this:

-Christians believe their God is omniscient and knows everything, including everything that has happened and will happen, as well as every thought your mind creates before you think it. If that's the case, there is no "free will."
-They also believe their God is omnipotent, and can do anything. Problem is, if their God can do anything but doesn't lift a finger to stop all the disasters, massacres and wars that have happened, are happening now and will happen in the future, their God is also a psychopath who enjoys watching our misery.
-However, if the Christian God is not omniscient or omnipotent... well, in that case their God is not a "god" and doesn't exist.


I'm not saying you're religion is bad, or evil that you believe in it. But it is fake, in my opinion at the least. You believe in whatever you want, I'm not trying to change how you believe, I'm simply telling you what I do. Do what you want.

[C0FFINCASE]

Every religious text

was written by human beings and then collected and edited repeatedly for hundreds of years by other human begins.

They aren't histories, some are presented that way in their writing and some faiths use them that way, but they aren't.

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was written by human beings and then collected and edited repeatedly for hundreds of years by other human begins.

They aren't histories, some are presented that way in their writing and some faiths use them that way, but they aren't.

I'm not really sure how to respond to this. When I said religious text I didn't specifically mean books. Many "texts" were at one point oral tradition. Also I never mentioned history but you're wrong there, too.

[Skrillex]

He doesn't, but it does benefit for me or anyone to make the "leap of faith" that a god exists given absolutely no objective foundation for such a belief. The reason people make that "leap of faith" is the presumption that some god is good and that we owe that god that leap of faith in gratitude for our existence. If god is not good, we do not owe that god any such thing, and making the leap of faith of a god's existence in the first place is justified. If god isn't good, why bother believing in a god without first having evidence of a god? All supposed evidence of a "good god" is of one who, in practice through objective observation, is not good, thus is not evidence of a good god. So there is no evidence for a good god, there is justification for a leap of faith, so there is no reason to believe in the first place. >thread title


Evidence of God/gods:

Every religious text
Everything on earth

How is that evidence of a god? The christian bible is so contradicting it's not even funny! "Thou shalt no kill." Then go to Leviticus 20:9 I think and it talks about it's wrong to be homosexual AND TO STONE THAT PERSON TO DEATH. There is a verse that tells you not to judge, but just a fucking few pages over it tells you not to hate people for they do not know what they have done. That is a judgement on that other person. I am personally an atheist and I do not see why you would want to believe in a god. Most kids are Christians because they were born into that religion. Just like I was. But I learned to grow out of it and face reality.