Space the Final Frontier?

Lets look at this logicaly before we kick the debate off, I believe things that have cold hard facts simple as.

Okay, I want to see who else believes it is perhaps the most logical thing to do which is:

Explore the Universe.

On the one hand if we end up being the only people in the universe (Unlikely), I think spreading out into the galaxy/universe is the most smartest option. Why?

Staying here on this planet will not end well, well apparently it won't according to "Global Warming" fanatics. At the end of the day, Eden (Earth) gives off much more CO2 than anything else on the planet. If you try to combat this arguement you shall fail, look at volcanoes and so on. Saying we are adding to this fails even more, if that was the case we would of been dead a long time ago.

The Earth has it's own cycle but anyway, I digress...

Odds are we are not alone in the universe and this means, spreading out into the universe could give us a insight in other planets weather conditions and perhaps even help us with our own and help us understand that a single car will not bring about the apocalypse.

Gah, I keep deviating away from the point which is and this is where the debate kicks off:

Are we alone in the universe?

If so state your reasons

If we aren't?

State your reasons why you believe we aren't, also state the likelyhood of bumping into ET in our life time. (A Guess shall suffice)

Much Love.

No, I highly doubt we are alone in the universe. The universe is just way to massive for us to be the only life forms in it. If you're asking are we alone on planet Earth, I also highly doubt that aswell. Why? The number of sightings and the similarities between them is very creepy, but some might aruge they steal each others stories from the television or the internet. Honestly 70% of the ocean is unexplored, there damn well may be some aliens living in our ocean. So no, I don't think we are alone the government is too damn shifty on the subject.

We find a planet, then what do we do?
Its great that we found them, but it wont help us at all.

I believe that there are other organisms and even human like people in this universe, but I don't believe it will happen anytime soon. I mean, looking at how much we have progressed, sure it will happen, but WHEN?

When this happens, I think that there will be different opinions of what to do. And if these people are as civilized as us, do we have a moral opposition to just leave them alone. I'm sure we wouldn't want some strange thing coming on to our plant and saying "We come in peace." I believe that communication first would be important.

~Fluxo

...but if the universe is infinite (which it may not be), there would have to be intelligent life somewhere, as well as every possible thing that can happen would have happened somewhere.

I'm am pretty sure there are aliens out there but I doubt we will find them. I mean the universe is so huge I doubt we will ever be able to actually see them or contact them.

We aren't alone. There are no aliens. The aliens are us, in seperate realities. I'm not high I swear.

I was looking for this thread. :) and yes I believe aliens exist.

Who knows... we might just be some science project for more intelligent beings other than ourselves. What we know as the big bang theory, might be their test to prove how matter is created. Anything is possible.

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Originally Posted by Crank

I was looking for this thread. :) and yes I believe aliens exist.

Who knows... we might just be some science project for more intelligent beings other than ourselves. What we know as the big bang theory, might be their test to prove how matter is created. Anything is possible.

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Wow, i like the way you put that, i always thought of us as inside a two way mirrored glass ball, on another, much larger planet, because, 6ft to us, could very well be two millionths of a centimeter.

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Originally Posted by H2O

Wow, i like the way you put that, i always thought of us as inside a two way mirrored glass ball, on another, much larger planet, because, 6ft to us, could very well be two millionths of a centimeter.

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So we're a molecule? x]

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So we're a molecule? x]

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Possibly.
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i dunno... i mean we could be but i highly doubt that look at the billions of planets out there atleast one of them must be able to have life.

I do believe their are other "THINGS" out there and they have already found another civilization like when Columbus "THOUGHT" that he found a route to India by going west :P

Drake's Equation proves we aren't alone in the universe, but there is no reason to think they are more advanced than us. The universe is expanding continuously, until the energy runs out and the whole thing drops to absolute zero. Then the end of times happen literally, everything will just stop forever.
The fact there are other in the universe doesn't even matter, the chances of us running into them are kind of slim unless we develop subspace travel or light speed. Though we keep streaming crap into the deepest pockets of space in hope of contact.

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Originally Posted by Light

We find a planet, then what do we do?
Its great that we found them, but it wont help us at all.

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When we find another planet, we colonize it.

Fight for territory...make colonies, and the colonies buy stuff from their main country. I guess you can look at it as the British, French and Spanish colonizing the new world, but 21st Century style.

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Originally Posted by Slash

When we find another planet, we colonize it.

Fight for territory...make colonies, and the colonies buy stuff from their main country. I guess you can look at it as the British, French and Spanish colonizing the new world, but 21st Century style.

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In theory, in finding new life in the universe/galaxy or even finding a planet capable of sustaining us, the need to buy, start wars and fight with each other should no longer exist. Our ultimate goal in life will be to better ourselfs and humanity.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

...but if the universe is infinite (which it may not be), there would have to be intelligent life somewhere, as well as every possible thing that can happen would have happened somewhere.

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The universe is finite, albeit expanding.

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Originally Posted by Crank

I was looking for this thread. :) and yes I believe aliens exist.

Who knows... we might just be some science project for more intelligent beings other than ourselves. What we know as the big bang theory, might be their test to prove how matter is created. Anything is possible.

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Have you been reading my posts? :eek:


I heard an analogy not long ago on a BBC documentary entitled Space - it was an interesting series. The narrator stated: "imagine how many grains of sand are at your local beach. Now imagine how many grains of sand are on the entire world. Multiply that number by one million. That's how many stars there are in the universe".

I know that analogy may seem a little crass, since we obviously can't measure how many grains of sand there are in the world or stars in the universe however, it should open to your eyes to just how large the universe is and how insignificant we are by comparison. Detecting planets in our own galaxy is difficult, as they don't give off photons of light and we therefore cannot see them with our telescopes. I'm certainly no expert, but I do believe scientists can locate and map planets and their qualities by measuring the brightness of distant stars (i.e. when a planet passes a star it becomes just that little less bright). However, it's a slow and painful process, and I think we're only discovering 30 or so new planets every month.

The possibility of a planet being able to sustain life is minute, and at this rate if life does exist, it will be a long, long time before we are able to discover it. We are sending and (attempting to) receive radio waves distant civilizations, but that has so far led to no results. It's not looking good with our current technology.

Even if we find alien forms of life, technology is too limited to do anything about it. The speeds we can currently reach in space aren't at all effective enough to travel to neighboring stars, let alone galaxies.

THe chances that we are alone in the Universe are so astronomically slim, that thinking we are the only possible life-forms in the trillions and trillions o planets and galaxies is near-sighted.

I believe that we aren't alone in the Universe for the simple reasons that it is impossible to think that we are alone when we as a race haven't explored very far beyond our solar system. We have no idea what lies in the infinitismal void we call space.

There has to be something else out there, infact there is probably a better chance that something is out there than finding truth in a daytime talk show.

Currently Tech Allows Us To Travel 3.6AU Per Year.
To Leave The Solar System It Will Take:
74,000 years at 3.6AU Per Year.
AU Being the unit to calculate distance in space when talking about such a large distance (an Astronomical Unit).
1 AU = 93 million miles.
so 3.6 = 334.8 million miles.
Roughly 24,775,200 Miles to leave the solar system.
Light Speed = 186,282 miles per second.
Time At Light Speed = 132.998 seconds.

Traveling at light speed is theorised to turn matter into energy, as it's impossible for mass to travel at light speed. So actually using light speed is impossible.

That only leaves time dilation, which in itself is rediculous, as these numbers are just to make it to the border of our solar system, not to then traverse the emptyness and then enter and reach a planet in another solar system.

Even with time dilation used it would be HUNDREDS of thousand of years here. We would forget about it ^^.

I believe that it's silly to assume we're the only intelligent life form in this universe, but i think i can honestly say with absoloute certaintly we will NEVER, EVER see them - as light speed is impossible, and time dilation will only allow a few people to make it there, the planet would surely die out before they made it back with anything useful ^^.

Exploring the Universe seems Good. As like you said Phil, The planet wont last much longer. However I have to agree with Simon on this one, We are not the only things in the Universe, We cant be. But we never ever Go to see them.

Maybe they would come to us? :P

Regarding the topic of exploring the Universe and whatnot, see Stargate: Universe. It's a new series that derives from Stargate. Search it, it's really interesting.

It might be a Science Fiction series, but it shows some interesting views on space being the final frontier, etc.

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Originally Posted by The Seftrex

In theory, in finding new life in the universe/galaxy or even finding a planet capable of sustaining us, the need to buy, start wars and fight with each other should no longer exist. Our ultimate goal in life will be to better ourselfs and humanity.

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Well, if we find another habitable planet before we reach type 1 status, there most likely will be fighting for it from other countries. Assuming that we're able to reach it.

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Originally Posted by Slash

Well, if we find another habitable planet before we reach type 1 status, there most likely will be fighting for it from other countries. Assuming that we're able to reach it.

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Probably, thats if countries havent screwed each other over on this planet. :P

To be honest, parts of our galaxy will get sucked away when the Andromeda galaxy passes by us

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Originally Posted by Riddle

Regarding the topic of exploring the Universe and whatnot, see Stargate: Universe. It's a new series that derives from Stargate. Search it, it's really interesting.

It might be a Science Fiction series, but it shows some interesting views on space being the final frontier, etc.

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Haha I've been watching it! Curse those Ancients and their trickery :p


Theoretically possible to create a wormhole that will allow us to traverse from point A to point B in the universe.

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Originally Posted by Artificial

Haha I've been watching it! Curse those Ancients and their trickery :p


Theoretically possible to create a wormhole that will allow us to traverse from point A to point B in the universe.

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Ah, but wormholes revert back to the no-mass theory. In a wormhole mass can not be sustained, same as at light speed. So once you enter you revert to nothing-ness and who's to say you'd turn back after.

It's the same sort of thing as time travel, if you invent time travel and use it and tell someone you've invented it, it no longer exists - as you've made the theory of time travel a reality in a time without it.

The only way to know solid facts is to take a practical test, and since we're eras away from being able to hop into a wormhole and let alone communicate from the other side - we won't know for awhile ):

Edit: I appear to have killed the thread :(
Awh philphil, and these are my faves.

No I do not believe there we are alone. And I have heard many sides of this story, such as from my father who is a religous man states that would god really put us all alone in this universe? Thats the one I seem to like the most