Health Care

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Originally Posted by CL0V3R

"Family owned businesses" Usually don't have 50+ people working for them. :/

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Actually prime example my dad run a company that is owned by two men who started it in the 80s(family owned and operated). They are wealthy but as soon as Obama let Bush tax cuts go away, they instantly had every one working their take a hit on their pay and fired a bunch of people. Now with these new health taxes coming up they are preparing a new list of people to fire, closing branches, and people are going to get less pay because it takes x amount of money fr them to cover costs of company and their personal finances.
Its an engineering company and they've expanded to deal with all of Florida and parts of Georgia and Tennessee.

They should donate more.
http://www.tomys.com.ar/web_images/a...ace_bigger.png

In my opinion, were all screwed.

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Originally Posted by -Matt-

In my opinion, were all screwed.

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I don't think so at all. P=

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Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

That's rough. But you can not be poor if you want to. Get a job, get three if you need to.
I'm a poor musician college student, that's next to being a hobo. I had to move back in with my parents and pay them rent. I do whatever work I can get and study hard so I can get a career and make more money, I'd rather not have to study and get two careers because Obama raises taxes to the point where my one career just gets me to break even.

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Ah! If only it were that easy. You seem a lot better off than I am. I would go into the reasons, but I'd seem like a whiny bitch.

Yeah, I support the reform.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

Ah! If only it were that easy. You seem a lot better off than I am. I would go into the reasons, but I'd seem like a whiny bitch.

Yeah, I support the reform.

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You'll have to forgive me but in supporting you sound like one.
"You're better off than me. I support you give me you money so I can be better off."

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Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

You'll have to forgive me but in supporting you sound like one.
"You're better off than me. I support you give me you money so I can be better off."

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Well, I'm 16, so I have no real say in any of this. I don't know who I should complain to for my situation. :p

There's not really much I can do to better myself.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

Well, I'm 16, so I have no real say in any of this. I don't know who I should complain to for my situation. :p

There's not really much I can do to better myself.

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Except get a job. I mean choices are to go through school and work some and be way better off or drop out now and start doing manual labor and improve a little bit.

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Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

Except get a job. I mean choices are to go through school and work some and be way better off or drop out now and start doing manual labor and improve a little bit.

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That's the thing. I've wanted to get a job since I turned 15 (there are cases when you can where I live), but my mother won't let me. I go to school, come home, and steal internet from the neighbors (we don't have it), on an old-ass computer my friend gave me (ours was manufactured in '96 or something). I'm fucking miserable.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

That's the thing. I've wanted to get a job since I turned 15 (there are cases when you can where I live), but my mother won't let me. I go to school, come home, and steal internet from the neighbors (we don't have it), on an old-ass computer my friend gave me (ours was manufactured in '96 or something). I'm fucking miserable.

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Work hard in school so you can make life better later.

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Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

Work hard in school so you can make life better later.

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That's all I really can do. I've been in advanced classes since 2nd grade, and I've always hated it, but done well. Problems at home made it even worse, but I guess I stuck with it.
Getting money for college is another thing that will probably not happen, or at least until years after I graduate high school. Life is going to be ROUGH.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

That's all I really can do. I've been in advanced classes since 2nd grade, and I've always hated it, but done well. Problems at home made it even worse, but I guess I stuck with it.
Getting money for college is another thing that will probably not happen, or at least until years after I graduate high school. Life is going to be ROUGH.

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They give money away to let you go to college, so don't give me that. You can get a few thousand bucks for being blond and states often have programs that will pay your way through community college if you have good grades.
College will also give you money to go there if you have high gpa and you can get financial aid.
Other than that tough luck work hard, climb as high as you can so your kids can get a bit further and then the process repeats.

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Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

They give money away to let you go to college, so don't give me that. You can get a few thousand bucks for being blond and states often have programs that will pay your way through community college if you have good grades.
College will also give you money to go there if you have high gpa and you can get financial aid.
Other than that tough luck work hard, climb as high as you can so your kids can get a bit further and then the process repeats.

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Oh, I'm sure I'll get the money eventually, but probably not right out of high school like my friends. The average income for a family where I live is $123K, and my mother is a preschool teacher. I doubt I could pay for a full college education at a decent school entirely with scholarships, so It'll take a while. :p

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

Oh, I'm sure I'll get the money eventually, but probably not right out of high school like my friends. The average income for a family where I live is $123K, and my mother is a preschool teacher. I doubt I could pay for a full college education at a decent school entirely with scholarships, so It'll take a while. :p

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Students loans, sir. That's what I'll be doing.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

That's the thing. I've wanted to get a job since I turned 15 (there are cases when you can where I live), but my mother won't let me. I go to school, come home, and steal internet from the neighbors (we don't have it), on an old-ass computer my friend gave me (ours was manufactured in '96 or something). I'm fucking miserable.

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So, I keep forgetting to get you my USB mouse...

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Originally Posted by AtomicJake

Students loans, sir. That's what I'll be doing.

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Sucks to be you since the government just took over them as part of the bill and are going to charge you out your ass to help cover the costs of the reform.

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Originally Posted by AtomicJake

Students loans, sir. That's what I'll be doing.

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What school do you want to go to?

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Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

Sucks to be you since the government just took over them as part of the bill and are going to charge you out your ass to help cover the costs of the reform.

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Well, it's not like I've got any other choice unless I do what Rundeer does. However, I would like to go to college right after high school. Otherwise, Rundeer and I are rooming together whilst saving up for college. No homo.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

What school do you want to go to?

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I'm going to CoD for a year to get the primary stuff out of the way, then I'll be going to an art school to major in Cinematography/Video Production. Not sure exactly what school, but there are some good ones in the state.

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Originally Posted by AtomicJake

I'm going to CoD for a year to get the primary stuff out of the way, then I'll be going to an art school to major in Cinematography/Video Production. Not sure exactly what school, but there are some good ones in the state.

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College of Doctors? Good choice. I'll probably end up there, too. I have no idea.

You aren't supposed to double-poast. You can quote more than one message in the same post. :p

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

College of Doctors? Good choice. I'll probably end up there, too. I have no idea.

You aren't supposed to double-poast. You can quote more than one message in the same post. :p

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Yeah, it's cheap and I'd rather not waste money for stuff I could easily do for much less.

And, yeah, I know because I'm an honorary Facepuncher. Something went weird with my poasting.

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Get scholarships. Do the work and you can get a free ride any where. They will give you money for all kinds of crap, simple google search will get you the apps.
Also chose a practice degree. Following your dreams to be an artist is nice but being a lawyer that likes to draw is more practical.

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Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

Advice:
Get scholarships. Do the work and you can get a free ride any where. They will give you money for all kinds of crap, simple google search will get you the apps.
Also chose a practice degree. Following your dreams to be an artist is nice but being a lawyer that likes to draw is more practical.

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Being a lawyer who can draw isn't practical if you aren't skilled enough to be a lawyer. Saying that getting an art degree is impractical is pretty ignorant, especially in the case of video production. There's a pretty big market for that right now.

Also, it's not that I'm not intelligent, but I'm not very good at school, so any decent scholarship isn't really within reach. If anything, I'll be going to art school on an art scholarship.

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Originally Posted by AtomicJake

Being a lawyer who can draw isn't practical if you aren't skilled enough to be a lawyer. Saying that getting an art degree is impractical is pretty ignorant, especially in the case of video production. There's a pretty big market for that right now.

Also, it's not that I'm not intelligent, but I'm not very good at school, so any decent scholarship isn't really within reach. If anything, I'll be going to art school on an art scholarship.

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There are a lot of different scholarships that really have nothing to do with school/grades. There are probably a bunch that have to do with film production/media.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

There are a lot of different scholarships that really have nothing to do with school/grades. There are probably a bunch that have to do with film production/media.

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Yeah, it'll be the film production/media scholarships that I could attain. However, it'll be a combination of student loans and me working a lot. Hopefully with something of a scholarship.

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Originally Posted by AtomicJake

Being a lawyer who can draw isn't practical if you aren't skilled enough to be a lawyer. Saying that getting an art degree is impractical is pretty ignorant, especially in the case of video production. There's a pretty big market for that right now.

Also, it's not that I'm not intelligent, but I'm not very good at school, so any decent scholarship isn't really within reach. If anything, I'll be going to art school on an art scholarship.

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Hm, who's ignorant? The college student who has switched majors several times, among them artist, musician, lawyer, and philosopher. I'm a bit more in touch with what scholarships a person can get, the job market, and the economy. Video production requires skill and talent like any art form. Skill can be taught and talent can't. An you have to develop talent otherwise its nothing. Also even if there is a demand now, your in high school, looking at about 5 years or more before hitting the market yourself for a need that isn't growing, especially in this economy. On top of that looking at the expected wage there are far safer bet, just saying. But then again going back to health care reform, more money may not be best.

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Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

Hm, who's ignorant? The college student who has switched majors several times, among them artist, musician, lawyer, and philosopher. I'm a bit more in touch with what scholarships a person can get, the job market, and the economy. Video production requires skill and talent like any art form. Skill can be taught and talent can't. An you have to develop talent otherwise its nothing. Also even if there is a demand now, your in high school, looking at about 5 years or more before hitting the market yourself for a need that isn't growing, especially in this economy. On top of that looking at the expected wage there are far safer bet, just saying. But then again going back to health care reform, more money may not be best.

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I think what he's trying to say is that there's no point in doing something you have no interest/skill in, just to be more secure job-wise. I think the last thing I would want to do with my life is be a doctor or lawyer, so I'm not going to become one just because art is risky.

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Originally Posted by Rundeer

I think what he's trying to say is that there's no point in doing something you have no interest/skill in, just to be more secure job-wise. I think the last thing I would want to do with my life is be a doctor or lawyer, so I'm not going to become one just because art is risky.

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Exactly correct.