Born or Choice?

**Souleater** · 27 Feb. 2010 07:16pm

Ok, since it was turning the entire tide of the God debate thread, its getting its own.

Do you believe that a person is born gay, or makes a conscious choice to be gay?

Prenatal hormones and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Thanks to GAMEChief for the link and idea.)

**Frostbite** · 27 Feb. 2010 07:19pm

I believe we're born that way.
I've been attracted to guys ever since I watched the Disney movie Hercules at age 5.

I don't ever remember making a conscious choice to like men....

**C0FFINCASE** · 27 Feb. 2010 07:35pm

People are born that way. How that effect a debate about God is beyond me.
The Catholic stand point is people are born that way and may be that way, but they may not marry because marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman. It also discourages acting on homosexual feelings because of some verses in Leviticus but they pick and choose with the Old Testament.
So God made you gay, be gay.

**sighkick** · 27 Feb. 2010 07:48pm

Well you said that you wernt gay until you watched Hercules...Do you think that if you didn't watch Hercules then you woudn't be gay...I think its more or less if a choice...Thats my opinion right now

**CL0V3R** · 27 Feb. 2010 09:50pm

Originally Posted by Kojinako

Well you said that you wernt gay until you watched Hercules...Do you think that if you didn't watch Hercules then you woudn't be gay...I think its more or less if a choice...Thats my opinion right now

Buwahaha that's like saying if you hadn't seen that really hot girl on the street would you be straight? That's just when he noticed he was. Like the first time you noticed you had an attraction to the opposite gender. I find it hilarious when straight people don't understand and think it just suddenly happens like OH I want to bang the same sex, let's do this shit.

**Frostbite** · 27 Feb. 2010 10:16pm

Originally Posted by Kojinako

Well you said that you wernt gay until you watched Hercules...Do you think that if you didn't watch Hercules then you woudn't be gay...I think its more or less if a choice...Thats my opinion right now

Originally Posted by CL0V3R

Buwahaha that's like saying if you hadn't seen that really hot girl on the street would you be straight? That's just when he noticed he was. Like the first time you noticed you had an attraction to the opposite gender. I find it hilarious when straight people don't understand and think it just suddenly happens like OH I want to bang the same sex, let's do this shit.

Clov3r answered for me xD
Yeah, Hercules is was just my first like... crush? If I hadn't watched it I would have had a different other same-sex crush.
It's not that I saw hercules and decided I wanted to be attracted to him O_O You can't decide what arouses you. Ever heard of fetishes?

27 Feb. 2010 10:22pm

CLOV3R covered that pretty well. There's a huge difference between "when you become gay" and "when you noticed you were gay." There is a time in most people's lives when they think the opposite gender is gross and has cooties. Does that mean you're gay until X years old when you start becoming attracted to them? Not at all. It means your sexuality hasn't developed. Sexuality doesn't hit you like a brick wall either. You aren't just sitting there, and BAM, you want to go have sex with a woman. Whoever Kojinako is talking about just didn't happen to notice until they watched Hercules.

The evidence for prenatal hormones and their influence on sexuality is astounding. It's not even just one thing that somebody noticed. It's a huge combination of factors, all of which point to prenatal hormone exposure. Really, anybody that denies it is so biased... Well, I should say, homophobic. And if you're homophobic, that's a completely different topic that is huge lulz in itself, and of course you'll want it to be a choice.
And anyone who knows what causes homophobia will know why homophobes want sexuality to be a choice.

**Bman** · 28 Feb. 2010 02:35pm

I think people are born gay... Its not a choice. In saying that though, you can try different things, but it may not be right. Your sexual orientation i beleive is at birth.

**gyran** · 01 Mar. 2010 01:01am

I don't think that ppl are born gay, it's a concious choice. That study actually proved that men are more effeminate, not gay, there's a big difference.

01 Mar. 2010 01:10am

I'm not sure, I think maybe born? I mean I'm bi-sexual, I've always thought that some guys were handsome and some girls were cute, almost all of my life- but mostly at around age 14-15.

So yea...Born is my answer. I'm locking it in, *Pushes a button*

**Frostbite** · 01 Mar. 2010 01:28am

Originally Posted by gyran

I don't think that ppl are born gay, it's a concious choice. That study actually proved that men are more effeminate, not gay, there's a big difference.

Way to provide evidence that gays, which you're evidently not, consciously decide "I want to be attracted to guys!?!". That's retarded. When did you "consciously decide" to be straight?

01 Mar. 2010 01:33am

Originally Posted by Frostbite

Way to provide evidence that gays, which you're evidently not, consciously decide "I want to be attracted to guys!?!". That's retarded. When did you "consciously decide" to be straight?

I agree, I mean all the straight people, I'm pretty sure, did not choose to be like that- they were more likley born like it.

**Fag** · 01 Mar. 2010 01:41am

I believe it's born. Why would you want to choose if you know you'll be hated by millions or so because of their religion or just because they think you'll hit on them?

**Ash** · 01 Mar. 2010 01:50am

Originally Posted by Kojinako

Well you said that you wernt gay until you watched Hercules...Do you think that if you didn't watch Hercules then you woudn't be gay...I think its more or less if a choice...Thats my opinion right now

If he didn't see hurcules, chances are that he would have found someone else..

**Frostbite** · 01 Mar. 2010 01:52am

Originally Posted by Ash

If he didn't see hurcules, chances are that he would have found someone else..

Oh yeah, there's been millions, literally, since then.
It used to be cartoons when I was little xD

**Ash** · 01 Mar. 2010 02:02am

lol, I know right?

what makes you say, I think I want penis today... its not a choice lmao.

**ksrocks333** · 01 Mar. 2010 11:15pm

I think you're born that way, I've liked women since I was a kid, I always looked up to the "dominate" female character in a story, I've like looking at them since forever. I'm a girl btw.
I don't want this, it just is.

Saying that it's a choice is close minded and unreasonable. Straight people didn't choose to be straight, it just is.

01 Mar. 2010 11:44pm

I believe you are born with it. Not like it is a disorder or something, I believe that certain genes make you like certain looks. Or organs.

~Fluxo

02 Mar. 2010 08:27pm

saying that its a choice isn't saying its bad. i mean i still believe that it is up to the person and that they shouldn't be persecuted because of the choice they make, but i believe strongly that it is a choice. one of my best friends was gay. he wasn't just going through a phase, he thought he really liked guys. 3 years later he is now married to a woman with a 1 year old daughter. its a choice. if anything you may be born with a different kind of sex drive that makes you just wanna do anyone.

**chowchig** · 02 Mar. 2010 09:45pm

Originally Posted by Jdawg

saying that its a choice isn't saying its bad. i mean i still believe that it is up to the person and that they shouldn't be persecuted because of the choice they make, but i believe strongly that it is a choice. one of my best friends was gay. he wasn't just going through a phase, he thought he really liked guys. 3 years later he is now married to a woman with a 1 year old daughter. its a choice. if anything you may be born with a different kind of sex drive that makes you just wanna do anyone.

I think some gays also have kid & are married, though they usually hide it for some reason.

**Frostbite** · 02 Mar. 2010 10:02pm

Originally Posted by Jdawg

saying that its a choice isn't saying its bad. i mean i still believe that it is up to the person and that they shouldn't be persecuted because of the choice they make, but i believe strongly that it is a choice. one of my best friends was gay. he wasn't just going through a phase, he thought he really liked guys. 3 years later he is now married to a woman with a 1 year old daughter. its a choice. if anything you may be born with a different kind of sex drive that makes you just wanna do anyone.

Umm.. ever thought about maybe it was a phase? You said 3 years later. HELLO.

**Beyoncé** · 02 Mar. 2010 11:37pm

Originally Posted by Jdawg

saying that its a choice isn't saying its bad. i mean i still believe that it is up to the person and that they shouldn't be persecuted because of the choice they make, but i believe strongly that it is a choice. one of my best friends was gay. he wasn't just going through a phase, he thought he really liked guys. 3 years later he is now married to a woman with a 1 year old daughter. its a choice. if anything you may be born with a different kind of sex drive that makes you just wanna do anyone.

He was probably experimenting.
I obviously think you are born with it because no one decides who they prefer, it just happens

**C0FFINCASE** · 02 Mar. 2010 11:59pm

From the scientific stand point its not a choice though we never found the gay gene, and if we look at animals in general rather than just humans we find homosexuality to be a natural means of birth control. Population gets too high and there are not enough resources and you get the males of the species pairing up in homosexual relationships. In some cases it's from birth in others it has to do with the environment, resource and/or mate shortage. An since we are in the end just animals I believe its the same for us, we changed the way our population curve looked a few hundred years ago and now from a natural stand point we're grossly over populated so it would make since that nature would kick in and you'd have homosexuals that aren't so by choice. You do have homosexuals by choice and its no the first time either. The greek used to think it was perfectly except able to seek pleasure with either sex simple cause it felt good...though they also said old guys could take small children as their life partners.
So my general conclusion is its both, but never in the same case. Some people are born that way others choose it as a matter of experimentation. Do what you want or what comes natural, just keep it at home. I don't wear clothes that mark me as straight ,wave flags, or have parades I keep my sexuality to my self till asked and that's how it ought to be. Sure the homosexuals are a tad repressed but really its not that bad aside from flak from the homophobes who aren't going to go away. I say get over yourself and be yourself. If you're truly doing that and are comfortable with who you are you don't have to draw attention to yourself the way some of them do. An that's all I got to say about that.

**Ash Carrick** · 03 Mar. 2010 10:09am

According to me we are born that way. I am not gay. But studies have revealed that some people are born gay. I mean when you become of age you dont sit on a chair scratch your temple and think Am i gay or Am i not?. Your feelings direct you your brain is useless and helpless in this matter . Many a times the person in front of you also has an impact on this fact

03 Mar. 2010 01:32pm

Originally Posted by gyran

I don't think that ppl are born gay, it's a concious choice. That study actually proved that men are more effeminate, not gay, there's a big difference.

You obviously didn't read the studies. There are more than one. I like how you specified which one you were talking about and conveniently didn't mention the countless others that disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Jdawg

saying that its a choice isn't saying its bad. i mean i still believe that it is up to the person and that they shouldn't be persecuted because of the choice they make, but i believe strongly that it is a choice. one of my best friends was gay. he wasn't just going through a phase, he thought he really liked guys. 3 years later he is now married to a woman with a 1 year old daughter. its a choice. if anything you may be born with a different kind of sex drive that makes you just wanna do anyone.

That's called bisexuality. Sexuality isn't black and white. It's a gray area - a gradient. You can be anything in between.

Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

So my general conclusion is its both, but never in the same case. Some people are born that way others choose it as a matter of experimentation. Do what you want or what comes natural, just keep it at home. I don't wear clothes that mark me as straight ,wave flags, or have parades I keep my sexuality to my self till asked and that's how it ought to be. Sure the homosexuals are a tad repressed but really its not that bad aside from flak from the homophobes who aren't going to go away. I say get over yourself and be yourself. If you're truly doing that and are comfortable with who you are you don't have to draw attention to yourself the way some of them do. An that's all I got to say about that.

Extremists are the reason anything gets done. I don't mind their showcasing their sexuality. Someone needs to in order to help reduce the repression. Although I agree it can get annoying, I still see it as more good than bad.

**bsbear** · 03 Mar. 2010 08:59pm

probably born that way............

religion shouldn't do anything about that.........

my 2C

05 Mar. 2010 11:02pm

I strongly do believe that being gay , you are born that way.
Just as straight people. they didnt CHOOSE their sexuality.

**iKiLL** · 03 Apr. 2010 05:30pm

they had a conscious choice. people were not born gay

**Zeitgeist** · 03 Apr. 2010 05:37pm

Originally Posted by iKiLL

they had a conscious choice. people were not born gay

This is completely correct. You can't be born with a certain sexual preference.

**Eve** · 03 Apr. 2010 07:06pm

Recent studies suggest that the brains of gay men are slightly different to heterosexual men's, suggesting that being gay may be physical, rather than environmental.

**iAKA** · 04 Apr. 2010 09:19am

Born gay i think. Conscious just adds to it afterwards.

**Silence..** · 20 Apr. 2010 11:09pm

I have a friend that was abandoned and had been left in the adoption home until 2 gay guys decided to pick him up..

He's now gay.

I really don't know how that works or maybe it's just seeing how the people you live with makes you want to be more like them?

20 Apr. 2010 11:15pm

look at it like this. im straight. i could be gay if i wanted to. but i'm not. was i born straight? no, i wasn't born gay either. everyone has a choice. its not a disease.

**Frostbite** · 20 Apr. 2010 11:17pm

Originally Posted by Jdawg

look at it like this. im straight. i could be gay if i wanted to. but i'm not. was i born straight? no, i wasn't born gay either. everyone has a choice. its not a disease.

Ok, no. You're viewing attraction has just "I could have sex with this person."
But no, gay people are NOT ATTRACTED TO THE OPPOSITE SEX, you are, and you're NOT attracted to the same sex.
Therefore, no, you could not just "decide" to be gay. You could decide to have a relationship with a male, but you'd still be straight.

20 Apr. 2010 11:31pm

the strange thing is, every gay guy i know/ have known (quite a few) have all at some point in their life dated or thought about dating a girl. gotta be some attraction there. and no i haven't lived your life so no i don't know for a fact, but you most likely at some point in your life have been attracted to a girl before. just like most guys are at some point in their life attracted to a guy. most just ignore it and move on but some (homosexuals) go for it. its a choice whether you argue about it or not.

**Frostbite** · 20 Apr. 2010 11:35pm

Originally Posted by Jdawg

the strange thing is, every gay guy i know/ have known (quite a few) have all at some point in their life dated or thought about dating a girl. gotta be some attraction there. and no i haven't lived your life so no i don't know for a fact, but you most likely at some point in your life have been attracted to a girl before. just like most guys are at some point in their life attracted to a guy. most just ignore it and move on but some (homosexuals) go for it. its a choice whether you argue about it or not.

Ok, of course we're gonna act like we think girls are hot. We know most people are idiots that think we're doing it as a choice and reject us and stuff. Any gay guy who has dated a girl or thought about dating one was doing it, not because they thought the girl was attractive, but because society says, "boys date girls."

If you're not gay, then you don't know. You can't say, "You guys are gay because of _______" becuase:
a. YOU DONT KNOW
b. YOUR OPINION is not your god's. Therefore, it's the opinion of a "sinner" which could be lying.

20 Apr. 2010 11:55pm

why you bringing god into it first of all? has nothing to with him or sinning. yea if your a christian, then homosesxuality is a sin, but im not even saying anything about that. and homos could just as easily be LYING as we can.

**Frostbite** · 21 Apr. 2010 12:01am

Originally Posted by Jdawg

why you bringing god into it first of all? has nothing to with him or sinning. yea if your a christian, then homosesxuality is a sin, but im not even saying anything about that. and homos could just as easily be LYING as we can.

Yes, but do I care about what the Bible says? nope. Do YOU? you should if you're a christian.
Every nonchristian has a right to use the bible against a christian.

But yes, Gay people aren't just "Dating" the same sex. They're sexually attracted to them and NOT sexually attracted to the opposite sex.
Hence homosexuality, not the homo-dating lifestyle.

21 Apr. 2010 12:12am

alright i refuse to debate with you ever again. all you do is randomly make up shit and make it look like the other person is saying something they aren't. my opinion is that its a choice. yours is that it isn't. agree to disagree. have a good day.

**Frostbite** · 21 Apr. 2010 12:47am

*reads all my posts*
Nope, none of that was made up.
But I understand why you don't want to debate with me

I know I'm a good debater regardless.

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