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[Jah]

Finally re-found your site.

[The Unintelligible]

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Did you at least +Rep the post when you said that?

[The Unintelligible]

Did you at least +Rep the post when you said that?

Nope .

[Taz]

I dont like reading.

[The Unintelligible]

I dont like reading.

y .

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I dont like reading.

Why? It's how I learned how to program and hack and stuff, it's helpful o:

[The Unintelligible]

Why? It's how I learned how to program and hack and stuff, it's helpful o:

But you don't know how to program or "hack." Right now you're somewhere on the script kiddy border. If anything you're learning, but judging by your recent threads/questions I sort of doubt that as well.

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But you don't know how to program or "hack." Right now you're somewhere on the script kiddy border. If anything you're learning, but judging by your recent threads/questions I sort of doubt that as well.

And since when have I posted anything about hacking here on LG? The closest I've ever come to it was posting a PHP backdoor that I had translated and updated a bit somewhere, but that was back when I was just experimenting with PHP. I just finished Chris McNab's Network Security Assessment, and I'm now reading Eric Cole's Network Security Bible. At the moment I've been learning about Network Security, because I already know most of what there is to know about web-based security, whether its XSS, RFI, SQL Injections, getting past file type uploading restrictions, etc, so I'm now refining my skill in true hacking, such as things like buffer overflows, utilizing current-gen exploits, DNS zone transfers, reverse DNS sweeping, SMTP probing, etc.

Sure, my programming skills might not be up to par with what is considered a true programmer's, but hey - I don't program much, and what I do program is just quick little stuff that I may use once or twice, and are either private for only me or are used by a few people at most.

[The Unintelligible]

And since when have I posted anything about hacking here on LG? The closest I've ever come to it was posting a PHP backdoor that I had translated and updated a bit somewhere, but that was back when I was just experimenting with PHP. I just finished Chris McNab's Network Security Assessment, and I'm now reading Eric Cole's Network Security Bible. At the moment I've been learning about Network Security, because I already know most of what there is to know about web-based security, whether its XSS, RFI, SQL Injections, getting past file type uploading restrictions, etc, so I'm now refining my skill in true hacking, such as things like buffer overflows, utilizing current-gen exploits, DNS zone transfers, reverse DNS sweeping, SMTP probing, etc.

Sure, my programming skills might not be up to par with what is considered a true programmer's, but hey - I don't program much, and what I do program is just quick little stuff that I may use once or twice, and are either private for only me or are used by a few people at most.

lol. I do believe you have long milestones to go in the world of computing. Simply reading books on the topic isn't going to help you much. "Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do." -Bruce Lee

At best the most you've done is scratch the surface of what those things truly entail. Do you know what causes XSS holes? Do you know of any way to exploit them other than using pre-made queries (i.e. the traditional <script></script>)? Have you experienced hands on what causes stack overflows and things of the like? Most likely not. None of the things you mentioned are near significant.

Programming is a prerequisite to "hacking." Anyone who believes otherwise is not truly a hacker. To be a hacker you need to understand the ins and outs & nuts and bolts of these things. You also misuse the term "hacker." Hacking is any act of playful cleverness. Not the exploitation of security.

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lol. I do believe you have long milestones to go in the world of computing. Simply reading books on the topic isn't going to help you much. "Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do." -Bruce Lee

At best the most you've done is scratch the surface of what those things truly entail. Do you know what causes XSS holes? Do you know of any way to exploit them other than using pre-made queries (i.e. the traditional <script></script>)? Have you experienced hands on what causes stack overflows and things of the like? Most likely not. None of the things you mentioned are near significant.

Programming is a prerequisite to "hacking." Anyone who believes otherwise is not truly a hacker. To be a hacker you need to understand the ins and outs & nuts and bolts of these things. You also misuse the term "hacker." Hacking is any act of playful cleverness. Not the exploitation of security.

And when did I say I was using the term hacker as anything but? I enjoy this, and I do it for fun. I find attacking computer networks to be fun and entertaining, and I'm not even trying to be malicious. Yes, I know how to exploit XSS holes besides the pre-made queries like <script></script>. Using that is dumb - if anyone is looking at search history at all, they see that and they'll immediately know they have a hole, and patch it. I believe I know what causes XSS holes, but I'm not 100% certain. Yes, I know what causes stack and buffer overflows. You're trying to write too much data to something that can only hold too much, so the data ends up being written to the stack (Was that it? I believe it was something of that sort.)

I know a lot ABOUT programming, I just don't do it. As in, I know a fair amount about how computers and operating systems function. Just because I don't program doesn't mean I don't know how programming languages work, or what certain things do. You don't need to program to understand computer security and the internals of a computer. In fact, I would say it's the other way around. You should know all about the internals of a computer and its operating system and how they work before you even attempt to begin programming. Otherwise, you'll end up choosing an extremely high-level language just because it's "easy to learn", and all of your programs will run slowly because you'll have no idea how to optimize them to get them to run more like a low-level program.

Take Java for example. You don't have to do any explicit handling of memory or anything, and it's programs are run in a virtual machine. These two things combined make the language extremely high level, and a lot slower than a more low-level language such as C or C++.

[The Unintelligible]

And when did I say I was using the term hacker as anything but? I enjoy this, and I do it for fun. I find attacking computer networks to be fun and entertaining, and I'm not even trying to be malicious. Yes, I know how to exploit XSS holes besides the pre-made queries like <script></script>. Using that is dumb - if anyone is looking at search history at all, they see that and they'll immediately know they have a hole, and patch it. I believe I know what causes XSS holes, but I'm not 100% certain. Yes, I know what causes stack and buffer overflows. You're trying to write too much data to something that can only hold too much, so the data ends up being written to the stack (Was that it? I believe it was something of that sort.)

I know a lot ABOUT programming, I just don't do it. As in, I know a fair amount about how computers and operating systems function. Just because I don't program doesn't mean I don't know how programming languages work, or what certain things do. You don't need to program to understand computer security and the internals of a computer. In fact, I would say it's the other way around. You should know all about the internals of a computer and its operating system and how they work before you even attempt to begin programming. Otherwise, you'll end up choosing an extremely high-level language just because it's "easy to learn", and all of your programs will run slowly because you'll have no idea how to optimize them to get them to run more like a low-level program.

Take Java for example. You don't have to do any explicit handling of memory or anything, and it's programs are run in a virtual machine. These two things combined make the language extremely high level, and a lot slower than a more low-level language such as C or C++.

You're attributing the term hacking to security exploitation - hence your response when I said you don't know how to hack. You don't know how to hack because you're not really doing anything. Getting past file extension restrictions in uploading in vulnerable systems is not hacking. SQL injections are not hacking. XSS is not hacking. That all falls under cracking. You don't have to practice any genuine knowledge of those things to be a hacker. If you understand how those things actually work then you're closer to the definition of a hacker. Linus Torvalds is a hacker. Richard Stallman is a hacker. Even Mark Zuckerberg is technically a hacker. The list goes on. Is it because they're able to exploit simple security fallacies (and ones exclusively in web applications at that)? No. It's because they have a profound understanding as to how those things work. They're programmers.

You insult the hacker culture by suggesting you're hacking by "attacking" susceptible networks. For my sanity and yours, don't call yourself a hacker. You are not a hacker. It would take a day tops to understand what you currently know provided the right resources.

And no, that isn't what a stack overflow is. You write data that overflows the allocated buffer on the stack. Speaking of which, do you even know what a stack is? Please explain to me what a buffer even is, lol. And being able to search for queries go for anything (that includes anything that involves injecting or otherwise sending data from the client). <script></script> is just a simple way to diagnose XSS.

And yes, you need to understand programming to understand certain aspects of a computer (e.g. you probably don't understand ASM at all, so your understanding of the inner-workings of memory are probably limited). I also find it funny how you think you know how operating systems work internally. You've used Windows, right? What is the Windows API? What is OLE/COM? What is winsock? What are sockets, how do they work, and what are their purpose? What about Linux? How does the kernel function? What is its equivalent to the Windows API?

Right now you have a rather naive mindset and disposition on what hacking/programming truly is. You seem to think it's all easy. An example of your folly is the fact that you're seeking help on the subject of Gaia botting/packets. If you were legitimately a hacker you would already understand these things.

If you don't stop this at once you're going to have quite the rude awakening.

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You're attributing the term hacking to security exploitation - hence your response when I said you don't know how to hack. You don't know how to hack because you're not really doing anything. Getting past file extension restrictions in uploading in vulnerable systems is not hacking. SQL injections are not hacking. XSS is not hacking. That all falls under cracking. You don't have to practice any genuine knowledge of those things to be a hacker. If you understand how those things actually work then you're closer to the definition of a hacker. Linus Torvalds is a hacker. Richard Stallman is a hacker. Even Mark Zuckerberg is technically a hacker. The list goes on. Is it because they're able to exploit simple security fallacies (and ones exclusively in web applications at that)? No. It's because they have a profound understanding as to how those things work. They're programmers.

You insult the hacker culture by suggesting you're hacking by "attacking" susceptible networks. For my sanity and yours, don't call yourself a hacker. You are not a hacker. It would take a day tops to understand what you currently know provided the right resources.

And no, that isn't what a stack overflow is. You write data that overflows the allocated buffer on the stack. Speaking of which, do you even know what a stack is? Please explain to me what a buffer even is, lol. And being able to search for queries go for anything (that includes anything that involves injecting or otherwise sending data from the client). <script></script> is just a simple way to diagnose XSS.

And yes, you need to understand programming to understand certain aspects of a computer (e.g. you probably don't understand ASM at all, so your understanding of the inner-workings of memory are probably limited). I also find it funny how you think you know how operating systems work internally. You've used Windows, right? What is the Windows API? What is OLE/COM? What is winsock? What are sockets, how do they work, and what are their purpose? What about Linux? How does the kernel function? What is its equivalent to the Windows API?

Right now you have a rather naive mindset and disposition on what hacking/programming truly is. You seem to think it's all easy. An example of your folly is the fact that you're seeking help on the subject of Gaia botting/packets. If you were legitimately a hacker you would already understand these things.

If you don't stop this at once you're going to have quite the rude awakening.

Oooohhhhhh mmmmyyyyyyyy goooooooooddddd you're an oldfag. "waahh waahhh wahh, Linus Torvalds is a hacker. Richard Stallman is a hacker." NO. FUCK YOU.

Max Butler is a hacker. Kevin Poulsen is a hacker. KEVIN MITNICK IS A HACKER.

The term hacker has changed, dumbass. It's now synonymous with the word cracker, thanks to the media and public news outlets. No longer does it mean someone who plays with computers as a hobby. It means an explorer, someone who plays with other peoples computer systems in a non-malicious or malicious way, both would be considered hacking by today's means. Take, say, Gaia for example. I have fun with their computer systems and employees. Not in a malicious way, but just to learn and explore. Why? For the fun of it, and to fill my everlasting thirst for knowledge. What have I gotten out of it? A knowledge of Gaia's internal servers and computer systems, lists of employees and employee emails and such, internal phone numbers, random knowledge about Gaia Interactive's internal workings, among other things. Did I steal billing records, credit card numbers, user accounts, or anything else considered important to them? For the most part, no. I do things to learn and explore. I don't hack a website to shove my name on it, deface it, and go "lol am i a good hax0r now?". I hack a website to explore its internal workings, learn about it and it's employees, and then move on - but know that form that moment on, the website will always be under my control. And if they find me and remove whatever backdoor I put in? Then that makes it an even more fun game. That makes it a game of cat and mouse. I get to see how their security team, or concerned IT employee, reacts when I do certain things to their website, and I get to see what tools hes using, and how he utilizes them. I really don't give a fuck about you, protozoid. I just enjoy computers, and the gifts that come with them. I don't really give a fuck if I don't know about the complete internals of my computer's operating system. I'll learn about it when I need it. Until I need to use a buffer overflow attack against a target, I don't give a flying fucking shit about it or how it works. I'll learn it when I need it, and until then, fuck that shit.

You see, I don't have to be the best. I just have to be better then everyone else.

[The Unintelligible]

Oooohhhhhh mmmmyyyyyyyy goooooooooddddd you're an oldfag. "waahh waahhh wahh, Linus Torvalds is a hacker. Richard Stallman is a hacker." NO. FUCK YOU.

Max Butler is a hacker. Kevin Poulsen is a hacker. KEVIN MITNICK IS A HACKER.

The term hacker has changed, dumbass. It's now synonymous with the word cracker, thanks to the media and public news outlets. No longer does it mean someone who plays with computers as a hobby. It means an explorer, someone who plays with other peoples computer systems in a non-malicious or malicious way, both would be considered hacking by today's means. Take, say, Gaia for example. I have fun with their computer systems and employees. Not in a malicious way, but just to learn and explore. Why? For the fun of it, and to fill my everlasting thirst for knowledge. What have I gotten out of it? A knowledge of Gaia's internal servers and computer systems, lists of employees and employee emails and such, internal phone numbers, random knowledge about Gaia Interactive's internal workings, among other things. Did I steal billing records, credit card numbers, user accounts, or anything else considered important to them? For the most part, no. I do things to learn and explore. I don't hack a website to shove my name on it, deface it, and go "lol am i a good hax0r now?". I hack a website to explore its internal workings, learn about it and it's employees, and then move on - but know that form that moment on, the website will always be under my control. And if they find me and remove whatever backdoor I put in? Then that makes it an even more fun game. That makes it a game of cat and mouse. I get to see how their security team, or concerned IT employee, reacts when I do certain things to their website, and I get to see what tools hes using, and how he utilizes them. I really don't give a fuck about you, protozoid. I just enjoy computers, and the gifts that come with them. I don't really give a fuck if I don't know about the complete internals of my computer's operating system. I'll learn about it when I need it. Until I need to use a buffer overflow attack against a target, I don't give a flying fucking shit about it or how it works. I'll learn it when I need it, and until then, fuck that shit.

You see, I don't have to be the best. I just have to be better then everyone else.

Oh my. It looks like my conjecture was correct. You are not only a skiddy, not only a kid, but you are also an idiot. Terms don't magically change. You call those people hackers? Perhaps they are. They're intelligent. You on the other hand are not. You're getting upset because I called you on your invalid use of the term "hacker."

And you don't play with Gaia you moron. You hardly know how Gaia works. You don't have "fun" with their systems. You don't understand how computer systems work. The employees, likewise, consider you an idiot. It's like you're a worse Aleena. At least Aleena wasn't this stupid. You don't know what internal servers mean either lol. Right now you're babbling and rambling about things you have no idea about.

Let me bring you back down to earth. You are not smart. You don't have a thirst for knowledge. You have no clue about programming or hacking. You're repeating what you see around you. You aren't capable of stealing billing records, phone numbers or accounts. Unless you obtain it through simple means. Why? Because you aren't a hacker. I've tried telling you this several times. You don't seem to be understanding. I think it's because you're dumb and still a kid. Maybe you'll mature some day into someone who knows what he's talking about (as much as I doubt that). But that isn't now. Why do you think I ignored your PMs and inquiries for knowledge? Because of this. This is why you're often the center of ridicule by others.

I'm so disappointed in you. I thought you were at least a little intelligent. You've confirmed my suspicions. I think you should end your computer escapades now. They won't get you too far. You're embarrassing yourself right now and even me for thinking you weren't this stupid. I don't think you have the potential to truly prosper from your current level (which is, like I said, somewhere around "skiddy").

You see, I don't have to be the best. I just have to be better then everyone else.

Lol. You mean *than. And no offense, but I don't think you're capable of being better than anyone at all. Just my opinion.

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Oh my. It looks like my conjecture was correct. You are not only a skiddy, not only a kid, but you are also an idiot. Terms don't magically change. You call those people hackers? Perhaps they are. They're intelligent. You on the other hand are not. You're getting upset because I called you on your invalid use of the term "hacker."

And you don't play with Gaia you moron. You hardly know how Gaia works. You don't have "fun" with their systems. You don't understand how computer systems work. The employees, likewise, consider you an idiot. It's like you're a worse Aleena. At least Aleena wasn't this stupid. You don't know what internal servers mean either lol. Right now you're babbling and rambling about things you have no idea about.

Let me bring you back down to earth. You are not smart. You don't have a thirst for knowledge. You have no clue about programming or hacking. You're repeating what you see around you. You aren't capable of stealing billing records, phone numbers or accounts. Unless you obtain it through simple means. Why? Because you aren't a hacker. I've tried telling you this several times. You don't seem to be understanding. I think it's because you're dumb and still a kid. Maybe you'll mature some day into someone who knows what he's talking about (as much as I doubt that). But that isn't now. Why do you think I ignored your PMs and inquiries for knowledge? Because of this. This is why you're often the center of ridicule by others.

I'm so disappointed in you. I thought you were at least a little intelligent. You've confirmed my suspicions. I think you should end your computer escapades now. They won't get you too far. You're embarrassing yourself right now and even me for thinking you weren't this stupid. I don't think you have the potential to truly prosper from your current level (which is, like I said, somewhere around "skiddy").



Lol. You mean *than. And no offense, but I don't think you're capable of being better than anyone at all. Just my opinion.

Lol, classic you right here. It's funny. You think you know everything about someone just through looking at their posts on an online forum. Boy are you stupid <3

[The Unintelligible]

Lol, classic you right here. It's funny. You think you know everything about someone just through looking at their posts on an online forum. Boy are you stupid <3

No. I just think you're incredibly dumb, clueless and naive. And I think your posts ITT confirmed it. It's pretty simple logic actually.

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No. I just think you're incredibly dumb, clueless and naive. And I think your posts ITT confirmed it. It's pretty simple logic actually.

See, there are a few things I've noticed about you:

- You always think you're right
- You think you're smarter than everyone else
- You LOVE to debate
- You love showing off your computational knowledge

Maybe it's just because all of your friends in real life abandoned you, so now you have to debate stuff here on an online forum. Not sure. Maybe you were just dropped as a kid, or maybe you're an asspie who has to prove to the world that he can actually accomplish something. Hell, you could be fuckin Chris chan with how retarded you are.

[The Unintelligible]

See, there are a few things I've noticed about you:

- You always think you're right
- You think you're smarter than everyone else
- You LOVE to debate
- You love showing off your computational knowledge

Maybe it's just because all of your friends in real life abandoned you, so now you have to debate stuff here on an online forum. Not sure. Maybe you were just dropped as a kid, or maybe you're an asspie who has to prove to the world that he can actually accomplish something. Hell, you could be fuckin Chris chan with how retarded you are.

Please explain how I'm wrong in this instance. I'm definitely right, and one thing we can agree on here is that. When it comes down to matters between me and you, yes, I'm pretty much always right. And I am in fact smarter than you. You're just a clueless kid. You're suggesting that you're anything more important than that when you really aren't. That sort of bothers me a bit.

I also don't think I'm smarter than everyone else. Just you. Let's keep the focus here on you.

I also hate to debate. It's tiresome and at the end of the day drool. You're showing how much of an idiot you are that it's almost agonizing.

I don't really show off any "knowledge" unless situations warrant it. But then again I'm also a pedantic person. Realistically I don't know much. But I know more than you for a fact. By far. That's an immutable fact.

Furthermore, I'm not debating anything. I only wanted to make you realize that everyone grows tired of - in Artificial's wording - your new found sense of (unwarranted) superiority. You're just not a hacker. That's all I wanted to evoke. I'm calling you dumb now because of the dumb things you've said. If you were in any major tech audience, you'd be scorned even more than you were here. Maybe you just aren't cut out for this sort of thing.

In short, grow up. Seriously. You have a delusional outlook on things related to computers. Doing the minuscule things you do doesn't make you a hacker. Stop saying things that offend the people who actually know something - and fyi, I'm referring to calling yourself a hacker.