7 days

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till Darksiders 2

Also for anime people. I'm watching an older one called Saber Marionette J. Pretty awesome stuff. It's really funny.

[CL0V3R]

My friend Crystal use to really like that show but never got around to watching it myself. Maybe I'll check it out sometime.
I rented Saber Marionette R from blockbuster once, it really doesn't tie into J all that much besides names.
I remember I liked it when I was fifteen. I don't know if that had to do with the fact it was actually good or just because there were sexual innuendos and sexadolls. Lol

[Ethan]

8days til I witness hell. ):

[The Unintelligible]

whats up with all the anime business? is weeabooism considered "hip" or something now?

[C0FFINCASE]

Clover has always been into anime and manga for as long as I've known of her. Which amounts to years now.
I've been into such things since I was 11 years old, I'm currently 22/23.
I think you're just noticing our discussion against an increased cultural influx in the last several months.
I haven't noticed anything myself but I'm always dealing with as you said "weeabooism" so I wouldn't notice I guess.
Though I'm pretty sure that the existance of 4chan,reddit, memes, and internet culture are founded on anime and manga related content.

[C0FFINCASE]

My friend Crystal use to really like that show but never got around to watching it myself. Maybe I'll check it out sometime.
I rented Saber Marionette R from blockbuster once, it really doesn't tie into J all that much besides names.
I remember I liked it when I was fifteen. I don't know if that had to do with the fact it was actually good or just because there were sexual innuendos and sexadolls. Lol

I plan to look at other Saber Marionette stuff, I started with J because it was referenced in a book I'm reading. I doubt any of the rest will be as good. Still it deserves a chance.
There is a lot of sexual overtones in J but mostly they're dealing with "What is it to be human?" they don't do as good/serious a job as Ghost In The Shell but it's also a comedy so.
Supposedly is demonstates moe and the animation style was due to budgeting but it an other early percusors are why anime is drawn the way it is.
It reminds me of Tenchi.

[The Unintelligible]

Clover has always been into anime and manga for as long as I've known of her. Which amounts to years now.
I've been into such things since I was 11 years old, I'm currently 22/23.
I think you're just noticing our discussion against an increased cultural influx in the last several months.
I haven't noticed anything myself but I'm always dealing with as you said "weeabooism" so I wouldn't notice I guess.
Though I'm pretty sure that the existance of 4chan,reddit, memes, and internet culture are founded on anime and manga related content.

Yes, and I've been into such things since almost day 1 (to be more precise, about since ~5 years old - I'm 17 now. So that makes our respective interest spans about the same).

I guess I'm just a little dumbfounded by the fact that it's so increasingly popular, even amongst adults (which to be fair is at least a little ironic).

My statement wasn't meant to be derogatory. It was meant to be an anecdote more than anything else. But I can't blame you for being more or less offended by what I said.

Also bold part is an over-generalization. Sure, a fair portion of the internet/meme culture is derived from general anime. But to say the existence of it (which means that includes elements outside of the scope of memes/internet culture) is based on that is nothing short from false.

Don't know why 4chan & reddit was mentioned (presumably you're attributing these websites to me), but that's pretty much besides the point.

[KainCantResetHisPass]

The majority of LG browses 4chan and Reddit, and probably similar sites. Also, most internet people are now Redditors and the like.

[C0FFINCASE]

Yes, and I've been into such things since
almost day 1 (to be more precise, about since ~5 years old - I'm 17
now. So that makes our respective interest spans about the same). I
guess I'm just a little dumbfounded by the fact that it's so
increasingly popular, even amongst adults (which to be fair is at
least a little ironic). My statement wasn't meant to be derogatory.
It was meant to be an anecdote more than anything else. But I can't
blame you for being more or less offended by what I said. Also bold
part is an over-generalization. Sure, a fair portion of the
internet/meme culture is derived from general anime. But to say the
existence of it (which means that includes elements outside of the
scope of memes/internet culture) is based on that is nothing short
from false. Don't know why 4chan & reddit was mentioned
(presumably you're attributing these websites to me), but that's
pretty much besides the point.

You read too much into things.
I'm not offened in the least. I only matched your tone.
The thing you bolded was hyperbole. no one thinks that Japanese culture is the base of all memes and internet culture. Yeah, I understand the finer points of the English language & grammar too. Imagine that? :p
Stop disecting things. It's not an argument and it's not helping your case of trying to avoid one.
Also 4chan & reddit, the former more so than the latter, are attributied as being influential in the introduction of anime & manga into the global culture. That is why they were included in the list of things that use, are based around, and/or propagate anime, manage, and Japanese culture.
Japanese culture as a whole has been being exported to the world since the 60s, it was at a high pont in the 80s and then again in the late 90s/early 2000s. You're seeing a new wave now most likely due to Japan strengthening ties with the US in the face of the expansion of power by Chinese in the Pacific and Asia. Plus you could argue that anime and manga in the US is linked with nerd culture, which over the last ten years has become destigmatized. Mostly due to super hero movies and such, plus you've had Toonami, Adult Swim, Sci-Fi, electronics and books storesand cons putting anime and manga out in the public realm. Another consideation is the generational turn over, the standard age range of otaku is 13-25. My generation is techincally about to exit that range and the next generation is smewhere in the middle and the generation after that is now entering it.
My generation started having it publicly shown to us in our teensbut your and the ones after have literally grown up with it. A few generations before mine had some accessanime and manga but it was minimal and only a small minority would have had access or been interested.

[The Unintelligible]

Didn't choose to respond to the irrelevancies in your post (aka the superfluous history lesson on the intricacies of the Japanese/anime culture).

You read too much into things.
I'm not offened in the least. I only matched your tone.

Anyway, to conclude this: I assumed you were offended by the statement because you responded seriously to it. If you weren't, that's fine. Assumptions aren't always accurate; that's why they're called assumptions and not inferences.

The thing you bolded was hyperbole. no one thinks that Japanese culture is the base of all memes and internet culture.

Also bold part is an over-generalization. Sure, a fair portion of the internet/meme culture is derived from general anime. But to say the existence of it (which means that includes elements outside of the scope of memes/internet culture) is based on that is nothing short from false.

Yes, this was stated already. Over-generalizing and hyperbole interchange in this context. I clarified on my statement after I stated that.

If you used hyperbole literally and not contextually then you're simply wrong for stating that in the first place.

Yeah, I understand the finer points of the English language & grammar too. Imagine that? :p

I sense defensive. I don't recall stating otherwise. lol.

Stop disecting things. It's not an argument and it's not helping your case of trying to avoid one.

Yeah, this doesn't make sense. You call rectifying my original statement and trying to correct what you possibly took out of context "dissecting." You assume that I think this is some sort of argument. You then contradict this by saying I'm trying to avoid this supposed "argument" I'm trying to make this into.

No, I'm helping you understand what I meant so as to not lead to further confusion. It was a mere joke, being a fan of anime myself. Currently I'm following Inuyasha, Bleach, Death Note, Naruto, Elfen Lied, Code Geass, and more. (Note: I've already finished a good couple of these before. But I recently decided to watch them again.)

If I wanted to make this into an argument it would be one. It isn't. And you need to understand this.

This isn't an argument. I don't consider it so. I'm not "avoiding" anything. Plain and simple: it was an abrasive joke.


P.S. You have my apologies for derailing your thread. I realize my remark wasn't really necessary regardless of my intentions.

[C0FFINCASE]

Didn't choose to respond to the irrelevancies in your post (aka the superfluous history lesson on the intricacies of the Japanese/anime culture).

It's not superfluous to discuss a cultural influx that you brought into the conversation.

Anyway, to conclude this: I assumed you were offended by the statement because you responded seriously to it. If you weren't, that's fine. Assumptions aren't always accurate; that's why they're called assumptions and not inferences.

I'm aware of your assumptions, you made them rather clear. Also that was hardly a serious response. It was just a statement.

Yes, this was stated already. Over-generalizing and hyperbole interchange in this context. I clarified on my statement after I stated that.

If you used hyperbole literally and not contextually then you're simply wrong for stating that in the first place.

We're both aware of the definition of hyperbole. You made no clarification of if you knew it was hyperbole, you just accessed it as a fact and made a statement affirming that it was incorrect.

I sense defensive. I don't recall stating otherwise. lol.

You seems to think I don't use proper grammar or English since you imply that what I respond with doesn't make sense. It does make sense, the fact you don't understand or think parts or clearly defined thoughts don't make sense. It's not really defensive beyond a joking clarification.

Yeah, this doesn't make sense. You call rectifying my original statement and trying to correct what you possibly took out of context "dissecting." You assume that I think this is some sort of argument. You then contradict this by saying I'm trying to avoid this supposed "argument" I'm trying to make this into.

It does make sense. Your responses are argumentative, both in approach and structure.
I do not state that you think this is an argument, I just stated that if you wish to avoid argument like you had previously indicated you ought to not over analyze people or dissect their responses.

No, I'm helping you understand what I meant so as to not lead to further confusion. It was a mere joke, being a fan of anime myself. Currently I'm following Inuyasha, Bleach, Death Note, Naruto, Elfen Lied, Code Geass, and more. (Note: I've already finished a good couple of these before. But I recently decided to watch them again.)

You in no way have made that clear up until this point. You said previously your original post was anecdotal but you had no anecdote of any kind till this post. It's nice that you've actually give us the anecdote finally. The fact is I'm glad you're are clarifying cause I really had no idea why you were posting until now due to lack of information aside from your joke.Which you ought to decide if you were making a joke or giving us an anecdote.

If I wanted to make this into an argument it would be one. It isn't. And you need to understand this.

Likewise and I'm well aware of what an argument looks like. As I've just stated I never thought it was, nor did i think that you thought it was.

This isn't an argument. I don't consider it so. I'm not "avoiding" anything. Plain and simple: it was an abrasive joke.

We've established that. Your joke was hardly abrasive. You don't register a 2 on the scale of abrasiveness.

P.S. You have my apologies for derailing your thread. I realize my remark wasn't really necessary regardless of my intentions.

Your apology is accepted. I hope we will converse again and I hope we have equally clarified ourselves to one another.

[The Unintelligible]

It's not superfluous to discuss a cultural influx that you brought into the conversation.

Seeing as how you wrote more content than necessary and you were discussing something I wasn't talking about on more than a surface-level scale, yes, I think it was sufficiently superfluous.

I wasn't interested in how the anime culture is becoming increasingly popular, I was wondering why (which there is no actual explanation to as that's subjective to those who enjoy anime). That should have been a little more than clear by my initial response.

I'm aware of your assumptions, you made them rather clear. Also that was hardly a serious response. It was just a statement.

Based on the fact that users usually don't respond to a statement of that nature, I conjectured that you were mildly offended by that statement. After all, my joke was that of "weeaboo." Maybe it didn't offended you, but on a general scale I'd say my assumption was fairly justified.

We're both aware of the definition of hyperbole. You made no clarification of if you knew it was hyperbole, you just accessed it as a fact and made a statement affirming that it was incorrect.

That's simply because you affirmed it as your assertion, which is incorrect. I clarified on it by rationalizing it down to the general vicinity it actually covers.

You seems to think I don't use proper grammar or English since you imply that what I respond with doesn't make sense. It does make sense, the fact you don't understand or think parts or clearly defined thoughts don't make sense. It's not really defensive beyond a joking clarification.

That has nothing to do with proper grammar nor English in itself. That's comprehension. And that was said before I stated your statement didn't make much sense.

You're now clarifying on that after you assumed that I don't think you have adequate English.

It does make sense. Your responses are argumentative, both in approach and structure.
I do not state that you think this is an argument, I just stated that if you wish to avoid argument like you had previously indicated you ought to not over analyze people or dissect their responses.

My responses weren't argumentative in any regard up until this point. You seem to be getting tenses mixed up. They were argumentative after you responded to my first response because it came off to me as you getting defensive and as such argumentative. Naturally, I reacted accordingly.

As for over-analyzing: that's a bit irrelevant. I'm innately analytical. I did nothing but try to clarify myself as I stated previously. The fact that you pointed this out is a further indication that you thought I was being aggressive somehow.

You in no way have made that clear up until this point. You said previously your original post was anecdotal but you had no anecdote of any kind till this post. It's nice that you've actually give us the anecdote finally. The fact is I'm glad you're are clarifying cause I really had no idea why you were posting until now due to lack of information aside from your joke.Which you ought to decide if you were making a joke or giving us an anecdote.

I was giving both a joke and an anecdote. The joke was the anecdote. Obscure? Maybe. But it's been there the entire time. I just further clarified myself.

We've established that. Your joke was hardly abrasive. You don't register a 2 on the scale of abrasiveness.

Generally speaking, I think this statement is false. It was abrasive in regards to using the term "weeaboo" derogatorily (though jokingly). Whether you considered it so or not is a perspective matter. You responded up until this point so I had considered it more or less abrasive.

Your apology is accepted. I hope we will converse again and I hope we have equally clarified ourselves to one another.

For the most part I believe we've clarified ourselves. And will do.

[CL0V3R]

I can possibly explain as to "why" it's so popular now as opposed to when I was in middle school (2001ish) or even earlier.
(Which maybe all of ten kids even knew what the hell it was.)
I'm thinking it has to do with the whole toonami boom, and it just snow balled from there.
There had always been some people who enjoyed anime before then, Akira, Fist of the North Star, ect.
Then there were those who liked anime but didn't know the term for it, they just thought it was another cartoon.
Eventually as it gained publicity it started to become easier for the general public to get a hold of.
Then adult swim (the original adult swim) came around it did something else to really get America's attention.
It furthered promoting it as not just being "cartoons for kids."
A lot of people at that time associated cartoons as something just for children, something that couldn't be taken seriously.
Anime ended up sort of stopping that idea, I mean sure there were things like south park and stuff, but that was all comedy.
(We're going to skip past the fact that comic books and things also had the more adult theme, but it wasn't really given the benefit of being of having such publicity.)
Over time as it grew to be more popular it created a niche for it's self. Now that the internet is common place most of us have been exposed to anime one way or another. Back in the day (and now) it was a really good way to make friends, or find something you have in common with another person. Over time it sort of created a bridge so to speak that kids could "cross" to interact with each other. It was a good icebreaker.
I remember in Jr high if you liked anime or found someone else who did it was a rare and amazing thing. Usually you'd end up being friends with that person.
It wasn't until my senior year (around 2007) that I realized the extent of how popular anime had become. When there were girls screaming about it and stealing my binders asking me what anime my drawings were from.
Now I think it's a mixture of people finding those shows enjoyable, and being able to have a way to make friends. Couple that with the fact that a lot of the anime fan basis tends to be the rather maladjusted sort it gives them something to obsess over or get lost in. In the same way people get lost in other fandoms.
It gives those people something "cool" to be involved in. I'm not saying they do it for the attention, but it really does help those types of people find each other.


So basically it breaks down to a few things.
1) Been shown to a wider audience
2) The idea that cartoons could be "Adult" with adult story lines
3) The internet is a hell of a place to advertise and now that webpages don't take a minute to load, most people have been exposed to it
4) It created something people could have in common
5) The original idea of anime being obscure turned it into something "Cool"
6) Now it's cool to like anime, thus liking anime is the new cool thing

There are probably many other reasons why, but I'd attribute to that as being the main reason.
Not saying everyone in the fandom thinks or acts that way... But just "how" it happened.

Also the old adult swim intro.

Delicious old intros are delicious, totally miss the old Parents strongly cautioned bit.