Gaia Taking action on SOPA

[Jenni]

[Souleater]

I'm seriously getting annoyed with all of this self site censorship bullshit. We get it, for the love of big tits, sites need to stop being fucking stupid.

[C0FFINCASE]

I'm seriously getting annoyed with all of this self site censorship bullshit. We get it, for the love of big tits, sites need to stop being fucking stupid.

Actually they need to ramp it the fuck up. People don't get it and they need to be informed. The only way democracy works is if people are informed and active. An since people are not doing either action you have to make a really big deal about it to get them to even pay attention.
People don't know about SOPA and less know about PIPA. You and I know because we care and pay attention but its hardly a national issue because people are in the dark about it. Mostly because they don't understand jack about the internet or copyright law. Still its enough to get them on board when you explain that Facebook, Youtue, and Wiki are gone if this passes. I can go to jail for covering a song and posting it on LG, plus LG gets blacklisted because its responsible for user generated content. Kind of a big deal.
Your attitude towards this is what cause democracy to fail and why the US has the problems that it does. People stopped caring,stopped being informed, and stopped being active. Failing to be an engaged citizen is the worst crime against your country because the system fails if you don't remain active in it. It makes a military guarding boarders wortless if the people its protecting are destroying them from the inside.

In addition, the internet is the last true realm of free speech and thought. To censor the internet would diminish people's ability to be informed and thus undermine the democratic system.

[Jah]

Actually they need to ramp it the fuck up. People don't get it and they need to be informed. The only way democracy works is if people are informed and active. An since people are not doing either action you have to make a really big deal about it to get them to even pay attention.
People don't know about SOPA and less know about PIPA. You and I know because we care and pay attention but its hardly a national issue because people are in the dark about it. Mostly because they don't understand jack about the internet or copyright law. Still its enough to get them on board when you explain that Facebook, Youtue, and Wiki are gone if this passes. I can go to jail for covering a song and posting it on LG, plus LG gets blacklisted because its responcible for user generated content. Kind of a big deal.
Your attitude towards this is what cause democracy to fail and why the US has the problems that it does. People stopped caring,stopped bing informed, and stopped being active. Failing to be an engaged citizen is the worst crime against your country because the system failsif you don't remain active in it. It makes a military guarding boarderswortless if the people its protecting are destroying them from the inside.

You write too much, and I hate reading too much.

[La Vie Cruelle]

You write too much, and I hate reading too much.

tl;dr - souleater does not understand the severity of SOPA, and thinks it is a nuisance protest/joke; therefore, it's people like him that makes the US fucked up and unintelligent because of their inactivity within the country.

[C0FFINCASE]

You write too much, and I hate reading too much.

Let me break it down for you and your feeble mind then, god for bid you have to read any thing:
Democracy=only work if people are informed and active
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US=Democracy
Soul=Not care about his right
Soul= Bad citizen
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France=Democracy
You=don't read things longer then ten words
You=Bad citizen
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Sopa=serious


Side note: We have these great things call book,they're like a whole bunch of pages with text on them and you read them to learn things. Might be helpful to you in the future if you pretend you know what they are. I won't ask you to read or look at any of them since simply viewing the table of contents would apparently kill you.

[Souleater]

tl;dr - souleater does not understand the severity of SOPA, and thinks it is a nuisance protest/joke; therefore, it's people like him that makes the US fucked up and unintelligent because of their inactivity within the country.

Sadly no. I believe that the world relies too much on the internet for anything and everything that they have ever wanted and since the internet can provide anything to anybody at any moment, it causes us to not have trk to earn what we want. If everything is only a click away, no one has to take the initiative to do anything.

Bringing down a sanction on piracy will return a stimulus to the economy and stop lazy people who don't want trk for something have to actually put forth an attempt to make money to buy music or games or movies, or anything. Do I think the internet as a whole should be censored? No. Do I believe that things should be regulated on the internet? Yes. I don't care if your views are opposing to mine in the idea that you should be able to get everything you want.

And my views of the severity of SOPA are not as simple as stated. My views of the act are that people taking it too personally and not actually researching what it is all about in the first place. Do we all have ALL of the information on this thing? No, because only a gist is given out at press conferences of what it is all about, and most of the whole bill won't be made public and people will only read the synopsis on the front page instead of taking the time to find out what it really means.

People being ill informed is their own fault for not caring what is going on in their own country. My thoughts are not what makes the US unintelligent. Activity is a choice, and people that take the time to conduct themselves in the country and know what is going on is a lost thing with the weakness that the country has and its dependence on everything being handed to them. People don't have trk for shit any more or work and try to understand for themselves what is going on and why. This is the generation that will decide what happens in the next 20 years and the youth of this generation rely so much on the menial things in life like the fucking internet to be free or else it's a fucking injustice.

Soul=Not care about his right
Soul= Bad citizen

I do know and care about my rights, and that is why I understand the way things work within people who don't really value theirs. Our very ability to even use the internet is a privilege. The internet is a privilege to use, to have the entire world at a click of the button.

[CL0V3R]

Then again the majority of those preaching about SOPA don't always know what they're talking about.
I keep seeing a circle jerk of misinformation. Like if SOPA passes the whole internet is going down. (Some people really believe the internet is being shut off. I'm not even kidding you.)
On a side note I do oppose SOPA but I feel like there is a lot of fear mongering. Is there a possibility they will take down youtube? Yes. Is it for certain no. I wish people would be more honest about the situation. Instead of saying OMG EVERYTHING WILL GO DOWN, SOPA IS REMOVING EVERYTHING. We should correct ourselves in saying if SOPA passes there is a possibility if it pass they may take it down because of the way it was worded.

[C0FFINCASE]

Then again the majority of those preaching about SOPA don't always know what they're talking about.
I keep seeing a circle jerk of misinformation. Like if SOPA passes the whole internet is going down. (Some people really believe the internet is being shut off. I'm not even kidding you.)
On a side note I do oppose SOPA but I feel like there is a lot of fear mongering. Is there a possibility they will take down youtube? Yes. Is it for certain no. I wish people would be more honest about the situation. Instead of saying OMG EVERYTHING WILL GO DOWN, SOPA IS REMOVING EVERYTHING. We should correct ourselves in saying if SOPA passes there is a possibility if it pass they may take it down because of the way it was worded.

The anti-sopa people aren't disseminating false information. People are getting out of hand about it but they aren't either. SOPA and PIPA are loosely worded bill that has the intention of giving companies and people that hold copyrights the ability to blacklist any site hosting copyrighted material. So Clover draws a pokemon and posts it on LG, and Clover gets in trouble, LG, gets in trouble, photobucket gets in trouble, ect. The whole internet won't go down, but a site that has user generated content becomes a massive liability. Particularly youtube or grooveshark face the most trouble because a fan uploading a music video or even them playing or singing their favorite song technically violates both bill and its been suggested by the people that back the bills that they would use the bills in this way. An that is just a small part of whats in these bills. The other equally troubling part is that in theory people own their websites and can dowhat they want with their property, but now the government is going to decide to tell you want you can and can't do with your property and then take it from you if they decide you misuse it. Now technically speaking that's ok with the world as long as the site is hosted in the US, but if its host outside the US then the US is basically commiting an act of war. SOPA is going to say its ok for the US to blacklist sites regardless of where they're hosted and that's just no ok. Other countries will begin blocking US sites within their boards in responce, the result is rather than a worldwide web you end up with a US-wide web that doesn't conect to the UK web or China web, ect. The flow of information and ideas is restricted and free speech is underminded. You're looking a major change in the way the internet works with SOPA and PIPA. You're talking about turning the wild west into a video monitored office over night, so in a way it would be the end of the internet, at least as you've experience it thus far.

[CL0V3R]

The anti-sopa people aren't disseminating false information. People are getting out of hand about it but they aren't either. SOPA and PIPA are loosely worded bill that has the intention of giving companies and people that hold copyrights the ability to blacklist any site hosting copyrighted material. So Clover draws a pokemon and posts it on LG, and Clover gets in trouble, LG, gets in trouble, photobucket gets in trouble, ect. The whole internet won't go down, but a site that has user generated content becomes a massive liability. Particularly youtube or grooveshark face the most trouble because a fan uploading a music video or even them playing or singing their favorite song technically violates both bill and its been suggested by the people that back the bills that they would use the bills in this way. An that is just a small part of whats in these bills. The other equally troubling part is that in theory people own their websites and can dowhat they want with their property, but now the government is going to decide to tell you want you can and can't do with your property and then take it from you if they decide you misuse it. Now technically speaking that's ok with the world as long as the site is hosted in the US, but if its host outside the US then the US is basically commiting an act of war. SOPA is going to say its ok for the US to blacklist sites regardless of where they're hosted and that's just no ok. Other countries will begin blocking US sites within their boards in responce, the result is rather than a worldwide web you end up with a US-wide web that doesn't conect to the UK web or China web, ect. The flow of information and ideas is restricted and free speech is underminded. You're looking a major change in the way the internet works with SOPA and PIPA. You're talking about turning the wild west into a video monitored office over night, so in a way it would be the end of the internet, at least as you've experience it thus far.

Oh I understand, you're preaching to the choir. My only gripe is just how dramatic people are getting. They're not spreading misinformation in your opinion but when I see people who genuinely think the internet is just going down... I feel there is something wrong with the way the information is being presented. Also as I stated in another post, even if things get blocked you can still access things through a proxy/tor/vpn and IPs. It's annoying but people are acting like there never will be a way around it. Pirating is illegal but everyone still gets away with it. This bill won't change that, pirates are just going to find another way. That's why I think this bill is stupid. It's worded poorly and isn't going to change much (as far as pirating goes) other than maybe the way people pirate. All it's doing is inconveniencing everyone with no real way to succeed in the manner of which they want it to.

[Kain]

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[CL0V3R]

I think that comic pretty much sums up why I feel like 4chan is melodramatic.
The whole internet isn't just getting the plug pulled if SOPA passes.
It will just be an annoyingly major inconvenience. Also if the site is just blocked you can still access it via IP or through other means.

[C0FFINCASE]

Those are people not actual respected information outlets. If you just listen to people and do no research on your own, your an idiot to begin with but at the same time if one side doesn't use the sheep the other will so I'd rather have half the uniformed public thinking congress wants the internet turned off than them siding with congress.

For US sites: You're not going to see and indefinite blacklist where you can use a proxy to get to the site, you're going to see that for a period of time and then the site will go down if it does not remove the content and pay various fines. Its likely that most blacklisted site will never return or be accessible for but a short period of time.
For Non-US sites: You are correct because they won't be fined, only blocked.

Aside from that it opens the door for more regulation. SOPA/PIPA may not be full on censorship but this kicks that door open legally speaking. The argument to make it ok for the government to monitor what you say online and arrest you for it is palpable.
I agree this won't kill piracy at all, its likely to aid it from my understanding. The thing about SOPA and PIPA is I don't even care about the piracy stuff, because the bill are written as such that they don't affect it. The muck up other things, like the existance of LG. All the times we've had trouble with Gaia in the past, particuarly the last time, in a SOPA world Aleena and Arti go to jail, LG goes down, people that posted accounts go to jail, our host gets fine, ect. Its not pretty.(Clover you get this but I like examples and I like making people aware.)

[Jah]

I actually read the comic

[Aleena]

SOPA & Censorship

To commemorate the Internet-wide protest against SOPA/PIPA, Gaia has been censored for the day, but we'll be back to normal tomorrow. Once censored, avatars cannot be uncensored, so think carefully about how much this legislation could affect you. To discuss SOPA/PIPA further, see this thread in the SOPA forum.

/thread, GTFO

Making a big fucking deal about one single day of censorship on gaia. Go kiss a pillow nerds.

[CL0V3R]

I'm really enjoying the debating in this thread.
I'm just going to leave this to the professionals.

[Drakonid]

This thread is too long to be read on mobile, so I'll wait till tomorrow to do it, in the meantime, and only because this is in they JY:
HAHA, suckers, you're getting all your shit censored.

[C0FFINCASE]

There are definitely people with internet problems. I don't feel the internet is their problem. I think they have a problem to begin with. Addiction(non-chemical) is largely mental and revolves around the individual not the addiction. 5-10% of people is negligible to me in the context of a cultural/societal debate.I'm not willing to limit 90% of people from using x because 10% of people are unqualified to. We don't do that with any thing. We have a drinking age but that's not exactly a direct compairison, a better one is that if we had a way to test for proneness to becoming an alcholic and then limited people prone to alcholism from drink. We don't. Personal responcibility comes into play for me in this situation. The internet is technology. Technology is niether good nor bad. How you use it determines its effects. If you can't manage your time or use correctly, that is your problem. I'm not saying there should be help for someone, I'm saying that its not the goverments job to make sure you don't negatively affect yourself, that's your job.
I'm far from advocating that the internet is this absolute good and that all communication should happen through it. I'm arguing that it is a major communication tool as well as a forum of free speech that is privately owned and that its nature and essence need to be protectedbecause its good outweight its bad. There are people that have fucked themselves up via internet usage but there are people that fuck themselves up on drugs, alchol, comic books, video games, ect but its non one's job to take care of them, they have to do that themselves, if they fal that's just life. The most meaningful method of communication is face to face(I refuse to have any sort of important conversation via text based communication, if I could have the whole of LG in a roon with me I'd have made it happen, but it can't be done so thisis the best method for communicating with you and Soul, just as skype call or an email is the best way to manage your business in Japan while you're running the home branch in the UK, ect). But if we limited ourselves to face to face communication we'd still be in the dark ages, printed text was the scariest thing in the world to goverments, now digital text is. It allows information to be transmitted instantly. Ideas destroy nation and knowledge makes all men equal. This is why I belive the internet is invaluible in its current state. yes, 7/10 times we talk about My Little Pony but look at this thread, this is huge. This can change a life, the ideas and discussion here have the ability to make the world move. Look at the Arab Spring, look at the French Revolution. They are the same, they both correspond to an advance in information technology and a new mthod of communication. The internet use in the Arab Spring and the print use and iscussion that startedhe FrenchRevolution were illegal under goverment censorship and monitoring. Here, now we have an unregulated and free way to communicate and express ideas and that is important. In a land of freedom, of rights,and enlightenment it seems like a crime to prevent expression in any shape or form because some people can't control themselves or because some small group abuses theis tool.
Even the slacking employee thing seems like bullshit to me. I worked in retail several timesand I easily slacked 55 minutes a day without a computer, just case a person is slacking via the internet doesn't mean that without it they wouldn't slack any way. Work ethic is tied up in personality, not internet usage habits, the latter most likely repreents the former well.

tltr;
Internet doesn't make you lazy or messed up, you're lazy or messed up to begin with. If you weren't usng the internet , it'd be something else(drugs, tv,ect).