Hey, anyone interested in learning programming or learning more advanced programming!

Check this out!

http://forum.logicalgamers.com/programming/49237-programming-contest-1-level-supereasy.html#post392147

I'm going to gradually make more and more competitions with LGG rewards. Forcing the people to learn simple things in order to complete the programs for the competitions will get them to teach themselves and learn how to teach themselves instead of following laid-out tutorials. Using these competitions I'm going to slowly teach everyone that participates in them how to program Gaia bots and bots for other website-based games! By August, I bet they'll all be able to program simple refresher bots, their own HTTP wrappers, and other things like that!

What do you guys think?

I think that it's a great idea that I hope I can concentrate on, and might help with this project that I'm tweaking (just the decoder):
Ripping videos & subtitles from Crunchyroll (noob friendly)

This literally doesn't help with programming at all. Just saying.

The Unintelligible wrote:

This literally doesn't help with programming at all. Just saying.

The first one is supposed to be super easy so that even people who have never programmed before but want to get into it can do it. Its gonna get a tiny bit more complicated with each challenge until people know how to program bots and stuff just by doing the challenges haha.

Contribute bots before you try to teach others how to make them. No offense, but I don't see how this will iterate to properly creating programs like bots.

You need to walk first before you run.

And the challenges you're presenting practice no real programming principles or concepts. Users simply need to google rudimentary solutions and post them for prizes.

There's a border between easy and down right effortless.

I can't say if it helps with creating bots and stuff like that, but it's a contribution and that's what LG needs right now.

I think that it's great and I'll even try to check it out this weekend!

The Unintelligible wrote:

Contribute bots before you try to teach others how to make them. No offense, but I don't see how this will iterate to properly creating programs like bots.

You need to walk first before you run.

And the challenges you're presenting practice no real programming principles or concepts. Users simply need to google rudimentary solutions and post them for prizes.

There's a border between easy and down right effortless.

Wow you just just anally raped him.

Alexx wrote:

Wow you just just anally raped him.

Overstatement. I just fawked him up pretty good O:

Not really it was just my take on the thread. No harm intended.

The Unintelligible wrote:

Contribute bots before you try to teach others how to make them. No offense, but I don't see how this will iterate to properly creating programs like bots.

You need to walk first before you run.

And the challenges you're presenting practice no real programming principles or concepts. Users simply need to google rudimentary solutions and post them for prizes.

There's a border between easy and down right effortless.

When you first started programming, you couldn't use HTTP wrappers, could you? So if they can copy and paste the first few they might go "hey, this is kind of fun, and easy LGG!" and then I'll make them customize it a bit. Then a bit more, and add in some non-normal functionality. Eventually, they'll start programming for real It's not an off-the-bat thing for super advanced programmers, it's slow, fun, and not hard at all.

I'd be interested in what kind of contests TU would run.

Something that isn't stupidly simplistic.

Personally I don't really care for the contests. I'm just saying if you're going to put the time and effort into making them why make them literally nothing?

Flareboy323 wrote:

When you first started programming, you couldn't use HTTP wrappers, could you? So if they can copy and paste the first few they might go "hey, this is kind of fun, and easy LGG!" and then I'll make them customize it a bit. Then a bit more, and add in some non-normal functionality. Eventually, they'll start programming for real It's not an off-the-bat thing for super advanced programmers, it's slow, fun, and not hard at all.

Makes some sense. Whatever your style/preference is.

Flareboy323 wrote:

When you first started programming, you couldn't use HTTP wrappers, could you? So if they can copy and paste the first few they might go "hey, this is kind of fun, and easy LGG!" and then I'll make them customize it a bit. Then a bit more, and add in some non-normal functionality. Eventually, they'll start programming for real It's not an off-the-bat thing for super advanced programmers, it's slow, fun, and not hard at all.

Have you considered just making an introduction to programming tutorial?

The Unintelligible wrote:

Makes some sense. Whatever your style/preference is.

Yeah, a lot of lazy people don't like following tutorials or challenging themselves unfortunately :/

GAMEchief wrote:

Have you considered just making an introduction to programming tutorial?

But this way, if people are on the fence about programming, it's a fun way to get them into it. If it was just some dumb tutorial, they might be too lazy to follow it, but these make it fun. I'm all about getting the random Gaia-goers and non-techies from this site into programming, not about teaching them advanced methods and stuff through boring tutorials. I'm just trying to see if this will work for a different style of learning, getting people to challenge themselves and teach themselves and stuff, instead of relying on tutorials. It's also a fun reward system that could motivate them a bit.

I think Flare has the right idea. Inspire them to search and learn on their own, rather than writing a tutorial from which everyone will achieve the same result.
I've learned better through googling the correct application of functions than I have through tutorials.
Of course, I usually get ~30 seconds into tutorials before I get bored... And, I've always been better at teaching myself.