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Capital Punishment, or otherwise known as the 'Death Penalty' involves the act of executing a person for a crime. My question to you is: Do you support Capital Punishment?
Myself, I do not support it and my reasons will gradually uncover itself in response to a person's post.
i persnoally believe ANYBODY who comitts that big of a crime should get excuted
I support capital punishment. I think we need to not stall with it so much. We condemn people, give the twenty appeals, treat them well, and give them expensive last request. Condemn, give them 10 days for the one appeal they're entitled to and put a bullet in there head, no reason to complicate it.
@jimzip: Well, you have to understand that not everyone who met Capital Punishment were executed for "that big of a crime". Did you know a few years back, two girls in Singapore (or another region in China) were hung for possession of weed? Another aspect you have to look at is innocence. There have been dozens of cases where the person executed were, in actuality, innocent. Imagine the guilt a person carries when they realize that a man was innocent, and falsely executed.
@C0FFIN: A man commits the crime of murdering another man. The Government captures the man and condemns him to the death penalty. Days go by and after the man is treated to his final request(s), he meets his end with the death penalty. What good is the world we live in when all we do is wash blood with blood?
I'm sure you'd rather let their blood rot in a prison cell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtue
I support the Death Penalty, and I'd hope it didn't take like 20 years to organize someones execution, I mean what happened to the old days where you convicted, and hung, a month at the most, later
I don't.
I think of jail time as a bigger punishment than death.
But that's just me I guess.
Well, it depends what kind of jail/prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinIMVU
Would you like knowing that every day you're confined to a small cage?
Or would you rather "off" yourself?
I'd rather die than live my life in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by chowchig
@Chowchig: You may say you'd rather die then spend your years in jail, but after being given the death penalty, one would begin to appreciate life. When you're in prison, you always have the chance to redeem yourself, however if told "You're going to be killed in a few weeks" there's no going against it. You will inevitably meet it unless another person confesses to the crime. Also, a criminal is a human. Whatever fancy names you may give him, or whatever malicious thing one may have done, one is still a human and one has friends and families. This is easily pushed aside in a persons' mind when the thought of the crime running around in your mind. Besides, if your a sadistic person you would love the thought of this: have a man rot in jail, or have him quickly die. [That's not what I think, tho'. >____> Just for you sadistic people.]
Prisoners are given 'chores' that do during the day. They also have recesses and other breaks. Don't you say they are only confined to a small cage. >___________>
Great arguments, tho'.
You don't necessary have a chance to redeem yourself. You can't take back what you have done. In most cases the death penalty is only applied to those who have committed murder; I don't see how you can possibly redeem yourself.Quote:
When you're in prison, you always have the chance to redeem yourself,
I hope you know that just because you are sentenced to death doesn't mean you are going to be killed in a few weeks. Death row inmates in the U.S. typically spend over a decade awaiting execution. Some prisoners have been on death row for well over 20 years.Quote:
however if told "You're going to be killed in a few weeks" there's no going against it.
Just because someone confesses to a crime, it doesn't necessarily mean they actually did it. There needs to be some sort of substantial proof that shows that suspect A is in fact innocent while suspect B is in fact the criminal.Quote:
You will inevitably meet it unless another person confesses to the crime.
Often people on death row spend as much as 23 hours a day alone in their cells.Quote:
Prisoners are given 'chores' that do during the day. They also have recesses and other breaks. Don't you say they are only confined to a small cage. >___________>
I do hope you know Singapore and China are two different places, since you referred to Singapore as (another region of china). On another note, it's illegal in Singapore to have drugs of any type and is punishable by death. Just like chewing gum can give you $1000 fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtue
Singapore fucking sucks....Quote:
Originally Posted by CL0V3R
On another topic:
Everything Defy said, was completely right.
Jail is no fun place..
@Defy: First point: Now, doesn't that make it equal to an eye for an eye? And doesn't that leave the whole world blind? Rather then redeem, one may always have the chance to rehabilitate himself. Plenty of high time convicts continue to roam the streets as new, and rehabilitated man.
Second Point: I guess I was heavily under-exaggerating, wasn't I? My bad there.
Third Point: I highly doubt they would continue the execution. There must another trial that continues it to determine if one is innocent or not?
Fourth Point: Rather be out once, then not be out at all?
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@CL0V3R: Would it have been better if I wrote "(Or some place in China)"? I put an "OR" in that bracket there, buddy.
Quickly moving on, it's just silly laws such as those that make Capital Punishment so much more ridiculous. The government would calmly take the life of young adults for having possession or drugs. How ridiculous is that?
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THAT ASIDE, I BELIEVE DEFY HAS PWNED ME.
I really, do not think prison "rehabilitates people."
Heck, if I was caught doing something, like attempting to steal a car. In jail, I'd probably learn how to successfully steal a car. xD
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Originally Posted by Virtue
That's all that matters.
Ever hear of Stanley Williams? Although it isn't very often that something like that happens. Virtue I'll reply in a minute after this poker tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by chowchig
Considering that once a person is condemned to death, they appeal it for 20 years, and then die on death row of old age, while at the same time, according to the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, the ingrediants in the lethal injection cost about $87.00USD.....How much does it cost to keep a multiple murderer alive for 20 years? A few hundred thousand lets say; with that $100k USD, you could have put a whole prison to death and had money left over for the soccer equipment in the yard for the minor prisoners.
*google Stanley Williams*
Maybe the Death sentence made him try to repeal his actions.
But I'm talking about being in prison for like 6 months to 3 years.
Massive amounts of years, like 60+ do seem to help, but the little 3 year sentences don't seem to help in my opinion.
In some cases there are men who have attempted to rehabilitate themselfves. They have attempted to start anew and spread the word (depending on what they did) and attempt to stop people from making the same mistakes. However these people still have committed violent acts against society. They will still have too live with that burden; not to mention they have altered peoples lifes for the worse.Quote:
Now, doesn't that make it equal to an eye for an eye? And doesn't that leave the whole world blind? Rather then redeem, one may always have the chance to rehabilitate himself. Plenty of high time convicts continue to roam the streets as new, and rehabilitated man.
:wink:Quote:
Second Point: I guess I was heavily under-exaggerating, wasn't I? My bad there.
There is numerous trials before one is executed.Quote:
Third Point: I highly doubt they would continue the execution. There must another trial that continues it to determine if one is innocent or not?
For an hour? Most likely isolated? I don't see the point.Quote:
Fourth Point: Rather be out once, then not be out at all?
Naw.Quote:
THAT ASIDE, I BELIEVE DEFY HAS PWNED ME.
Would you rather let the murders run free till the streets are flooded with the blood of the innocent?
The death penalty is necessary evil. The government must have to power to punish in equally horrid ways as the crimes that the guilty commit. You take away the ability of the government to punish criminals in a way that dissuades people from committing crimes. The only reason you won't walk out the door right now and start shooting people to get what you want that they have s because you'll be charged with murder and killed.
Jail time is pointless in the case of true criminals because they don't want to be rehabilitated. Secondly, we don't rehabilitate any more. The US has more prisoner per capita than any other country in the world. Russia has less prisoners than we do. If you go into prison for your likely hood of going back is some insane percentage. This is because as soon as you get in you enter a world that is brutish and foul that forces you to become a hardened force of hatred to survive, with only society to blame. Letting simi-decent people be turned into cold blood killers and then releasing them on society seems far more evil than just killing them and sparing them and us.
If the crime is, Murder, Rape, and so on, I do think they should be executed.
@Souleater: A persons' life oughtn't be measured with money. Are you saying the 100k is a waste and not even worth a persons' life? Again, this is a persons' life that is being taken.
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@Defy: Everyone lives with a heavy burden on their shoulders, but we all continue to walk the streets free of mind. You can't overlook that perhaps the "violent act against society" was actually a small burglary. Should a man really spend his years in prison for attempting to steal valuables? I don't believe that.
Moving on, I like to look at things from perspective, so you try to: Would you rather stay inside this confined cage all day, or get out once (even for as little as an hour!) and catch some fresh air? I'm choosing the latter.
Also, yuuhh. c:
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@C0FFIN: The reason I don't support the Death Penalty is because of this "necessary evil". What differences are there between the Government or a criminal if the former finds this "necessary evil" justified?
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@awgsun: Because you believe the world is based on equality. An eye for an eye, and whatnot. Nothing in this world is equal; there are things that more superior than others.
In a state of nature man is violent and brutish because every man has the right to everything and seeks pleasure. We come together and create government signing over our rights and model it in our image to enact a set of rules among us. The rules are administer through the rights we give up to government. The government then enforces the highest and most terrifying penalties on transgressors of the rules to strike fear into the hearts of those under it so that few will transgress. When the government kills it is justice and justified because as a society we have agreed to sign the right of justice over to the government and thus the government decides what justice is and the penalties of crimes. The government in not in a contract with the people, the people are in a contract with themselves and they agree to live under government. Criminals are those that break or do not agree to this arrangement. You can't allow people to live outside of this arraignment because if you do then the arraignment falls apart. This is the ultimate justification of governmental power and the death penalty. To paraphrase the man behind it "Government must be like a terrifying Leviathan that rules over man, for man obeys what he fears and respects and nothing else."
Aside from all of that the US has one of the most forgiving court systems in the country we let men walk for murder more often then condemn them. Everyone that dies at the order of the court for the commitment of a crime dies "justly" as they were given a trail, a fair unbiased one and even an appeal if they can find some thing unjust about their trial.
The reasons behind a crime do not exonerate them criminal. If you commit theft and murder to feed yourself and buy medicine for your grandma you still committed theft and murder and should pay the full penalty under the law. Justice is blind.
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Originally Posted by awgsun
Explain why.
Don't speak for everyone.Quote:
@Defy: Everyone lives with a heavy burden on their shoulders, but we all continue to walk the streets free of mind.
I thought we were talking about Homicides and Capital Punishment? Yes a man/women should spend time behind bars for theft.In most cases people are stealing from middle class citizens who have worked hard for everything they have.I don't see why they shouldn't. This isn't Robin Hood this is real life.Quote:
You can't overlook that perhaps the "violent act against society" was actually a small burglary. Should a man really spend his years in prison for attempting to steal valuables? I don't believe that.
Tell me what would you do to these two?
That's seriously messed up. D:Quote:
Originally Posted by chowchig
@Everyone: Also on the subject has anyone of you known or been friends with someone who's been murdered? If so how did you feel, and what did you want to happen?
No but it doesn't matter. At that point you're too involved to be a non biased judge. If you're some how related to the crime you are biased and your wants/choices are effected by it. From the non biased and neutral stand point murders and all criminals are prosecuted to ensure justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL0V3R
Is there proof they shot the kid? If its without doubt they shot the kid, then kill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by chowchig
Like most cases it's circumstantial evidence. A gun wasn't found however the grandfather seen the gunmen with a gun in hand; and something about a video recording of two men running (faces were not identifiable).Quote:
Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE
You have a description from the grandfather that matches the men in the tape, something they wouldn't show him. They are known Blood gang members. There is a body. Thus there is a case and the only way to cast doubt is lack of weapon but even then its likely they'll be convicted. Even if they didn't do this one they did something else, put them down.
Oh I was just asking out of sheer curiosity.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE
My friend was murdered and I was just glad her killers were convicted regardless, I just don't want them getting parole in 25 years.
With no evidence, or purely circumstantial, yes, appeal, but for the undeniable cases where all of the evidence is there, then the person should fry.
That depends on the case. I mean , they could be made to do social service for their life time . But what punishment will you give to a terrorist who has killed and destoyed so many families*points to the 26/11/08 attacks in Mumbai*Trust me the rage is overwhelming when you are sitting home watching people die due to a man. That man is in your grasp. Capital Punishment is justice , then
An eye for an eye, Is what i believe in they should of kept it that way there would be a lot less Murders, Rapist....Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtue
Yes, lets completely destroy society in some idiotic crusade of equivalency. Equivalency is foolish, someone steals and you cut there hand off? It makes no sense. You want to use punishments that serve the public good best. If that means locking away a thief we do that, if it means killing them we do that. Whatever serves our ends best.
Also honestly those "rapists" and "murders" you're thinking of are call sociopaths. They aren't dissuaded by any penalties, eye for an eye or not. You see it doesn't matter if they're insane or if they just perceive society, norms, and laws as an the imaginary constructs we've arbitrarily created and decide they don't have to follow them for one reason or another, they will never be discourage and they will always exist, showing us we're not as smart as we think and we're not really in control of any thing. The penalties only dissuade the "sane" people like you. Ultimately we have the death penalty to scare us straight, to kill off undesirables, and to put down the "monsters" that we breed through our own depravity and evil.
Exactly..Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtue
Not long ago in school i was studing that..
Anyways so yea.
I debated that it was wrong.
Like what if you were forced that your whole family will get killed if you dont confess it was you, and it wasnt you..
:D
The French back in the 1800s used to have a saying about capital punishment;
"A prison has a door, but the grave doesn't."
IMHO, if the shoe fits, and the person in question isn't really in the position to give back in any way to society and/or their crimes are heinous enough, they have to be hanged or shot by firing squad.
ONLY if their guilt is proven beyond doubt though. People say, "Killing people in return for their crimes doesn't bring down the crime rate," but I bring out the analogy of the rabid dog. What do you do to rabid dogs? you kill them before they bite people again, rather than let them roam free. Most criminals are sick fucks who kill for the pleasure and sense of power that it brings them. Why waste society's money on trying to reform someone who doesn't give a damn?
That's why back in Romania when Vlad Tepes was still around, people were too scared to even let out a peep, lest they end up getting impaled. A little-known fact of his rule was that crime dropped down to almost nil while he was around, even though he killed people for the smallest of excuses.
Though I agree with most of what you have said, I do have to say that punishments do sometimes "restrain" a sociopath from killing/raping again. Even though the restraint may only last for a limited amount of time, it does really help. At least in my opinion Capital Punishment does help discourage some of these sick people from committing crimes, even if it only stops them for a little while.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE
I support capital punishment in some instances especially when it involves socio and psych paths which don't feel any remorse or express emotions towards other individuals that they hurt and have a personality disorder in which I believe can't be fixed no matter the case they will continue to harm others so I believe we should put them down for their own sake and our own protection.
Perfect example, Ted bundy and that one guy who founded the crips I believe his name was touki williams who brutally killed people and wrote childrens books after to make himself seem innocent.