You decide: is Shojo a scammer?

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29 Dec. 2009, 11:05pm
Artificial

You decide: is Shojo a scammer?
BEFORE YOU VOTE READ THE ENTIRE POST, WORD FOR WORD. HIS ENTIRE ACCOUNT RESTS ON THIS

Context
Today I banned user Brock, another member banned for scamming. The topic is not whether that account was rightfully banned, for there is no doubt. Upon inspection, it was found that registered from the same IP were users Virdeal and GaiaHQ, two further accounts banned for scamming. So it would appear that the individual behind these accounts has been banned on LG three times for scamming.

Inspection of the IPs
The IPs connected to those accounts are:
- 67.159.47.203
- 76.73.42.202
- 76.73.47.42
- 76.73.38.18
- 66.232.118.93
- And a few more
Every single time they logged in, they did so from a proxy. What does this tell us? The user is trying very hard to cover their tracks, and this doesn't appear to be the first time they've scammed.

Evidence #1 (how I first suspected Shojo)
I was looking through PMs that had mention of any one of those three users, and I came across a PM between Shojo and Kaien Shiba, and found something interesting. You see, Kaien traded a Gaia Online account to user Virdeal (scammer), and then somehow Shojo then tried to sell the account back to Kaien a while later. Diagrammatically, the path the account takes looks like:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7118/shojo1.png

Somehow, the account got from Virdeal (known scammer) to Shojo. I looked all over LG, there is no sign of that transaction ever taking place. Apparently, according to Shojo, Virdeal conveniently found his MSN and the transaction had nothing to do with LG. That is link #1

Evidence #2
I found in the PM that the password for that Gaia Online account (when Shojo tried to trade it) was muggles123 (muggles wasn't the real password, since I don't want to post it. It was in the format of word123 though). Now, I'm not sure if you guys know this, but back in the old days when Shojo was banned for the third time for scamming on LG I had enough, and so I broke in to some of his emails/Gaia accounts, etc. His password then was muggles123. So I thought 'hey, maybe one of those three scammers used that password and, if they did, it had to be Shojo'. Now, our modified vBulletin has this nifty feature that logs invalid login attempts (for security purposes) in an encrypted format. All I had to do was search for md5(md5('muggles123') . salt) and see if it returned anything. And what do you know, a while ago user Virdeal tried to login with the password muggles123. Imagine that, by some insane coincidence, the scammer logged in with Shojo's password! Now, I thought that could have been a coincidence. I mean, who knows, it may be a common password. A search of the database revealed that only one user ever tried to login with that: the scammer. Now, I could do the math to show how unlikely that is, but the results would be mindboggling small. That is link #2

Note: muggles123 appears once more in the database, again connected with Shojo. Shojo hacked bsbear's Combat Arms account and changed the password to 'muggles123'. So both the scammers and Shojo have tried to use that password.

Evidence #3
Yesterday, user Brock (one of the scammers) tried to scam BooBearSH out of a 30mil GG account. Brock was banned 24 hours later for scamming. However, at the time Shojo vouched for him, saying Brock sent him $10 via Paypal, and hence he was trustworthy. That is link #3 with the scammers.

Anyways, that's as much information I can gather, so I thought it was time to confront Shojo. I talked to him over MSN and our conversation went nowhere. At this stage I'm thinking him guilty, so I thought I'de offer him a chance to prove his innocence. I offered to check out his computer over teamviewer, and if satisfied I found nothing I would leave him be. Anyways, it took about 20 minutes to convince him to let me take a look (he seemed very hesitant at this stage). Finally, I got on, and conveniently his FF history had been wiped (he claimed it was auto, but who knows). He'd also apparently reformatted recently, so there was nothing I could really do.

Anyways, then I remembered the supposed transaction with Brock. So I proposed to Shojo, that if he let me check his Paypal account and confirm Brock sent him the money, then I wouldn't ban him. (The reason behind this being, if someone called Brock sent him the money [as he told Boob he did], then they would be two different people. If the transaction wasn't there, then Shojo lied to Boob to try and get that 30m account). Anyways, after a further 20 minutes of arguing, Shojo wouldn't let me see the Paypal transaction. He finally conceded that, there was no Paypal transaction. 'Brock' sent him a $10 Nexon code. See how quickly his story changed when he couldn't find the evidence.

My conclusion
At this stage I was convinced of his guilt, and banned him for the fourth time in LGs history for scamming.

After all of this, he protests his innocence. So I put it to you, the jury of LG, is Shojo a scammer or did I unfairly ban him?
29 Dec. 2009, 11:09pm
Weird_guy_3000

He's not a scammer.

Most likely chance
29 Dec. 2009, 11:10pm
Torian

Amazing deductive abilities Alex. From what's been shown here, it's been a fair ban, all dick sucking aside.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:10pm
ʝдɮ

Hate to say this, but the evidence to show that he's a scammer.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:10pm
Kain

Yes, he is.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:12pm
Defy

What a great read Alex. Its appears as though Shojo Is indeed a scammer, although hes attempted to cover his footsteps (and has pretty successfully compared to other scammers) it all seems to lead right back to Shojo meaning hes the head honcho in this scamming business of his.
I also don't see why you have to justify you banning reasons, you've acquired enough information on your own to ban him but you still ask if it was right or not.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:12pm
Supra

The evidence sounds like hes a scammer....
Maybe someones framing him. highlyunlikely?
29 Dec. 2009, 11:13pm
Beyoncé

The evidence is really obvious he is guilty, so I say it was fair
29 Dec. 2009, 11:14pm
Dylan

I say yes, Shojo is a scammer. And a while back, like 2 months ago, he had a scamming spree on the website "Gamerzplanet.net" Using my acc i lended him, getting it banned. This is why i say "Yes".
29 Dec. 2009, 11:16pm
MattSmith

From shojo:

Code:

For one thing, I never used the muggles123 password for my logical gamers account, it has been used on a Gaia Online account. For another thing, Virdeal got my MSN out of my signature, when he saw me post a thread about buying accounts etc. He then sold me the account, and Kaien Shiba PMed me wondering if I had anything he could buy, I told him I had that account. When it got down to business, he realised that it was the account the virdeal bought from him, and he then wanted it back. For the third thing, brock did not send me a cash code, he bought the NX from nexons site over teamviewer, because they had christmas sales on combat arms.

Im still against his banning.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:17pm
Severed

Oh god, I hate juries. It just pisses me off. Hmm, all the evidence points to him being a scammer. Although he seems very trustworthy and such, there is nothing that says he is legit anymore. All the evidence is very convicing, so unfortunately, I have to side with everyone. I think he deserved that ban.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:17pm
Artificial

Quote:

For the third thing, brock did not send me a cash code, he bought the NX from nexons site over teamviewer, because they had christmas sales on combat arms.

And yet yesterday 'Brock' claimed he didn't have TV installed, and you also had to install it this morning. Strange that.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:17pm
Weird_guy_3000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8er

From shojo:

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For one thing, I never used the muggles123 password for my logical gamers account, it has been used on a Gaia Online account. For another thing, Virdeal got my MSN out of my signature, when he saw me post a thread about buying accounts etc. He then sold me the account, and Kaien Shiba PMed me wondering if I had anything he could buy, I told him I had that account. When it got down to business, he realised that it was the account the virdeal bought from him, and he then wanted it back. For the third thing, brock did not send me a cash code, he bought the NX from nexons site over teamviewer, because they had christmas sales on combat arms.

Im still against his banning.

Amen.........
29 Dec. 2009, 11:18pm
Torian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8er

From shojo:

Code:

For one thing, I never used the muggles123 password for my logical gamers account, it has been used on a Gaia Online account. For another thing, Virdeal got my MSN out of my signature, when he saw me post a thread about buying accounts etc. He then sold me the account, and Kaien Shiba PMed me wondering if I had anything he could buy, I told him I had that account. When it got down to business, he realised that it was the account the virdeal bought from him, and he then wanted it back. For the third thing, brock did not send me a cash code, he bought the NX from nexons site over teamviewer, because they had christmas sales on combat arms.

Im still against his banning.

Sounds like bull. Why would Brock need to use Teamviewer to buy NX for Shojo?
29 Dec. 2009, 11:19pm
MattSmith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artificial

And yet yesterday 'Brock' claimed he didn't have TV installed, and you also had to install it this morning. Strange that.

From Shojo:

because I reformatted a few days ago.

From Me::

He did. He asked me a ton of stuff about it before he did it.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:20pm
Fluxo

He had his chances.
He did it again.
Ban.

~Fluxo
29 Dec. 2009, 11:20pm
Beyoncé

I'm sorry but it sounds like he's making up more excuses to cover up the mistakes he made
29 Dec. 2009, 11:22pm
-mc-roge

First im not against or for it

if everyone choose to ban don't ban Shojo ban the other accounts
and see if it was true the real owner will come to you and ask you why maybe not but if it happens again ban Shojo
29 Dec. 2009, 11:22pm
Weird_guy_3000

I think these people saying he's guilty has no proof of anything besides the stuff you layed out.
This is an insolent Jury.
I Know he's completely innocent.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:23pm
Torian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weird_guy_3000

I think these people saying he's guilty has no proof of anything besides the stuff you layed out.
This is an insolent Jury.
I Know he's completely innocent.

Says the guy that joins the day of the incident in question.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:24pm
Kain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weird_guy_3000

I think these people saying he's guilty has no proof of anything besides the stuff you layed out.
This is an insolent Jury.
I Know he's completely innocent.

Except i've considered everything he said, and considered him guilty still.

Jury's are picked, because they know little about what happened, and go off evidence presented.

Shut the fuck up and think before you type<3
29 Dec. 2009, 11:25pm
Artificial

Quote:

Originally Posted by -mc-roge

First im not against or for it

if everyone choose to ban don't ban Shojo ban the other accounts
and see if it was true the real owner will come to you and ask you why maybe not but if it happens again ban Shojo

The scammer doesn't care for those accounts. He'll just lay low for a bit and make another one later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weird_guy_3000

I think these people saying he's guilty has no proof of anything besides the stuff you layed out.
This is an insolent Jury.
I Know he's completely innocent.

And yet you've posted no evidence to prove his innocence. Don't you think it strange that everything kept coming back to Shojo? The biggest give away was the password. I'm sorry, but the chances of that happening based on a coincidence is probably more than 1 in 1 billion.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:25pm
Weird_guy_3000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torian

Says the guy that joins the day of the incident in question.

I talk to him on MSN all the time.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:26pm
MattSmith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain

Except i've considered everything he said, and considered him guilty still.

Jury's are picked, because they know little about what happened, and go off evidence presented.

Shut the fuck up and think before you type<3

From Shojo:
That is hardly fair because I can't post the evidence that supports my claim, and I can't post counter arguments unless I use Sk8er as my fucking messenger, which I find a bit demeaning, though he may not.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:26pm
-mc-roge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artificial

The scammer doesn't care for those accounts. He'll just lay low for a bit and make another one later.

And yet you've posted no evidence to prove his innocence. Don't you think it strange that everything kept coming back to Shojo? The biggest give away was the password. I'm sorry, but the chances of that happening based on a coincidence is probably more than 1 in 1 billion.

Thats why i sayed if some thing like that happens again Ban Shojo
29 Dec. 2009, 11:26pm
Artificial

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weird_guy_3000

I talk to him on MSN all the time.

I talked to him aswell. I was neutral with the guy, didn't mind talking to him, gave him like 300kLG last night over Poker, and yet after looking at the evidence I can still ban him.

The only people protesting his innocence are his close friends.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:27pm
Beyoncé

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weird_guy_3000

I think these people saying he's guilty has no proof of anything besides the stuff you layed out.
This is an insolent Jury.
I Know he's completely innocent.

You are in the same boat, you were given info he "layed" out to you, so that made your decision
29 Dec. 2009, 11:27pm
Defy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8er

From Shojo:
That is hardly fair because I can't post the evidence that supports my claim, and I can't post counter arguments unless I use Sk8er as my fucking messenger, which I find a bit demeaning, though he may not.

Except he had his chance with Arti on MSN.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:28pm
C0FFINCASE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torian

Amazing deductive abilities Alex. From what's been shown here, it's been a fair ban, all dick sucking aside.

The evidence before the court is incontrovertible.
There's no need for the jury to retire.
In all my years of judging I have never heard before,
Of someone more deserving of the full penalty of the law.

Check the gaia trading section there is an obvious scam thatinvolves two noob accounts selling 03 stuff and Shojo was vouching for, if you want more evidence, Arti.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:28pm
Artificial

Quote:

Originally Posted by -mc-roge

Thats why i sayed if some thing like that happens again Ban Shojo

He's been called out. Nothing will happen again because he knows I'de be breathing down his neck.

If someone scams, we don't give them a second chance.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:28pm
Torian

Quote:

Originally Posted by -mc-roge

Thats why i sayed if some thing like that happens again Ban Shojo

This is like his what...fourth ban?
29 Dec. 2009, 11:28pm
Kain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8er

From Shojo:
That is hardly fair because I can't post the evidence that supports my claim, and I can't post counter arguments unless I use Sk8er as my fucking messenger, which I find a bit demeaning, though he may not.

Using sk8er should be no issue.

He's like your lawyer.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:30pm
Taz

Taz's side of the story:

I was walking you see and then i heard a scream and i saw shojo with a gun.

Im jk.

Im with it because i dont care about shojo and maybe he wanted more rep for Middle man so he hack scam an account with like mills.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:30pm
-mc-roge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torian

This is like his what...fourth ban?

i did not know that
29 Dec. 2009, 11:31pm
MattSmith

Quote:

Originally Posted by C0FFINCASE

The evidence before the court is incontrovertible.
There's no need for the jury to retire.
In all my years of judging I have never heard before,
Of someone more deserving of the full penalty of the law.

Check the gaia trading section there is an obvious scam thatinvolves two noob accounts selling 03 stuff and Shojo was vouching for, if you want more evidence, Arti.

From shojo:
*Dude, Alex even knows who Sano-kun is. (Or I think he does.) He's fucking legit, now you're going to call ***him**** a scammer too!?
29 Dec. 2009, 11:32pm
-mc-roge

Shojo if your viewing this your on your own i have nothing else to say
29 Dec. 2009, 11:32pm
Torian

Quote:

Originally Posted by -mc-roge

i did not know that

Quote:

Now, I'm not sure if you guys know this, but back in the old days when Shojo was banned for the third time for scamming on LG I had enough,

You were told to read all of the first post before making a reply.
29 Dec. 2009, 11:32pm
Artificial

I'm quite sure the verdict is guilty. I'm ending this drama.

Topic locked.